iyo did facebook ruin the internet?

https://itself.wordpress.com/2017/01/05/critique-of-judgment/

Whatever else the internet is, the hegemony of social media has turned it into a machine for passing judgment — an apparatus for seeking attention and courting the near-certainty of negative judgment. In the future, everyone will be hated by thousands of strangers for 15 minutes.

Why are we so addicted to passing judgment? I think we enjoy the feeling of strength and rightness, coupled with the license for cruelty. It’s an intoxicating mix, especially in an era where people experience less and less control and agency in their own lives. As previously noted, a genuine dialogue requires critical distance to one’s own views and a willingness to entertain those of others — the exact opposite of the brew of certitude and spite that the internet breeds in us. But it’s not just a question of our having picked up bad habits from social media, which begs the question of why we would turn away from (or in many cases, preemptively reject) dialogue in the first place. The truth is that dialogue is risky, because your efforts may not be rewarded with new insight. Indeed, you may be played for a fool by a bad-faith interlocutor who is purposefully trying to waste your time or even elicit condemnable statements from you.

today? yes. today i look at the past twenty years and i see companies like google, like facebook, like twitter, have spent all of this time institutionalizing an inhuman, corporate internet, one that works towards severing the connections we have built between each other. god, i have so many friends, not dead ones, but friends i just don't talk to because there's nowhere on the internet for us to talk anymore.

tell them to sign up for ilxor.com

https://www.wired.com/2017/01/zucks-sure-acting-like-someone-might-run-president/

zucks for prez

tell them to sign up for ilxor.com

― johnny crunch

i was thinking we could just send messages to each other via carrier pigeon

so this fucking Sarahah thing is all over FB this week.

for those who don't know, Sarahah is essentially like a neo-Formspring, where people can send you anonymous comments. and it's all over social media since...idk earlier this week?

sounds like a platform for inviting people to lather compliments on you or basically abuse tf out of you. Hard pass for me. I've left anonymous compliments and/or non-sequiturs for friends though.

never heard of this thing or seen anyone use it

i have at least 12 friends using it now and posting screencaps of notable "questions/comments"

Nope

yeah, I have seen zero posts with that, but fb is insanely non-gossipy in all my circles so idk

this article both informative and unintentionally funny http://mashable.com/2017/08/02/sarahah-snapchat-story/

huh

I've seen people use curiouscat or w/e on twitter, seems like it's about the same thing

I don't think I've ever had the experience of interacting with people I know in a non-anonymous way with anonymous comments like that. Seems... bad

yeah already a few people using it have reported abusive comments made, it's too much like a powderkeg for me to try it.

how old are the people using it?

mid-20s to early 30s, most of the abusive comments reported tho came from people in mid-20s

are they really teens, though

at heart perhaps

are these also the same people who grandly announce that they're trimming down their facebook friends list and that they will only keep people who like or comment on the post? or people who post things like "you really fucked up this time. i don't know if i can forgive you after last night. pray for me, friends." and then wait for people to ask about what went wrong, or even better, for the person who wronged them to publicly defend themselves on facebook so that they resume their argument in public?

maybe a handful, not most of them.

it's kind of a stupid app too cos unlike Formspring, you can't respond in the app so they have to post screencaps on FB and respond there.

half the posts are people purportedly saying "I'm secretly in love with you" in whatever crepey way they prefer

stupid brief-lived apps are the heart and soul of the net tbf

technological innovation for people to make each other feel bad :(

i haven't heard the first thing about either of these apps but strenuously avoid interacting the sort of people described above

i used the app 'yikyak' for a couple days for shits and giggles and it just made me feel awful and sad about the world

yikyak was only good for trolling college kids

and by trolling, I mean responding to people saying mean things by doing the "hmm sounds like you diss others to prop up a low sense of self-worth, maybe you should think about that!"

tbh i have no time for that (teaching jerks a lesson)

IMO all of this is a side-effect of Eternal September

this wasn't facebook, but the propensity for people to passionately adopt a stance despite having read one source of outrage reminded me of the worst clusterfucks: http://www.vulture.com/2017/08/the-toxic-drama-of-ya-twitter.html

(short version: a YA novel is lambasted by a single blogger who wrote a 9000 (!) word summary/takedown claiming it's horrible and racist, causing a flurry of bad reviews and complaints by people who had not read the book)

the blog rant is one of the most incoherent things I've skimmed

if we have any sort of book culture/YA fiction thread, it might be worth posting there

I posted in the "free speech and creepy liberalism" thread.

toxic drama of YA twitter is OTM
holy crap

for reference, here's where the discussion starts on the other thread:
Free Speech and Creepy Liberalism

Shocked and saddened master frodo

I do think people often let social media condition them into thinking they have to adopt an opinion on every hot button topic ("inaction is still an action!"), and that while ignorant people speaking on things they learned five minutes ago is hardly new, that many people were more content just letting things go by without comment like ten years ago.

that and the more link-driven format of today's social media is to blame too. I remember when FB still supported link embeds but didn't advertise it, so most people didn't do it because they didn't know how.

people gotta chime in

part of me has been tempted to create some hoax to get thousands of people outraged and somehow convince them the only way to fight the outrage is to funnel money to this Kickstarter that secretly goes to me under a pseudonym

but I'm lazy and dumb so I decided not to

Part of me wants to stop making creative work other people can see

Oh wait: done

i watched this because a pal of mine did the interviewing and this guy will seriously make you want to banish facebook from your life forever. i mean, for a minute he will. kinda drove me bonkers. i'd never heard of him. but he scared me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im_SpOdacVY&t=2135s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im_SpOdacVY&t=67s

uh never mind. those aren't showing up? whatever.

or people who post things like "you really fucked up this time. i don't know if i can forgive you after last night. pray for me, friends." and then wait for people to ask about what went wrong

OMG I used to have a few people on my feed that'd pull that shit, but if you dared to ask what the issue was, they'd say 'oh i dont really want to talk about it here' or 'its private'. FFS, you just bleated about it on FB!

OR, no one replies at all because frankly we're all sick of their shit and then they have a sook that no one gives a shit about them.

and just like that! the facebook friend most likely to post in the manner described above has posted a link to sarahah
:( people

Zuckerberg is 4 days late, can't say "Trump" or mention Facebook's role in targeting/amplifying hate. He can't run if he's this compromised pic.twitter.com/vGHG08Y3yJ

— Nitasha Tiku (@nitashatiku) August 16, 2017

run? zuck for what?

1500m world champion

LL, are you not aware of the speculation on why Zuckerberg has been doing this weird cross-country tour to small town america? surely he's running for president

not sure I buy that argument, but I would guess it has crossed his mind

he'd be better off starting his own reality show