Pie vs. Cake

some srs pastrybros in here questioning the bonafides of the clear winner hey pastrybros stfu and get behind pie as it lumbers towards the real enemy in the big pie vs fruit contest in nov 17

NEVER FORGET

A big blob of mayo on the side of a bowl of chilli is amazing

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, September 23, 2012

Yeah, shepherd's pie and cottage pie aren't really pies to me. I'm not entirely convinced by quiche being a pie either, though. (I still voted for pie.)

are we having another pie poll

I've never thought of cheesecake as a pie before, or even as a cake, really, but it's as much a pie as key lime pie, now that I think about it. It's a good question.

http://www.finecooking.com/item/11489/cheesecake-or-cheesepie

His conclusion: "So, in short, a cheesecake is a pie. It can also be a cake, but it can't not be a pie."

Another take:

Like the Tomato Fruit vs Vegetable debate, cheesecake can be classified as a pie (separate crust, the soft filling, and the absence of flour), a custard (unbaked cheesecakes), or a torte (using eggs as the sole source of leavening). But since the earliest cheesecakes were created by the early Greeks, and they considered it a cake, that is the general classification used.

Alton Brown:

Aside, of course, from the crust, a basic cheesecake only contains some sugar, vanilla, eggs and dairy. It's a custard no matter how you cut it. In fact the only real difference between a cheese cake and a cream pie is that most of the dairy of a cheesecake comes in the form of a soft, smooth, tangy, cow's milk cheese containing no less than 33 percent milk fat and no more than 55 percent moisture, known far and wide as cream cheese.

In other words:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyI7QAnaVQQ

quiche is v obviously pie

otm

like a custard pie, i don't see that the filling has got any bearing on a dish's pie-ness

that soft, smooth, tangy, cow's milk cheese containing no less than 33 percent milk fat and no more than 55 percent moisture that we all know and love

I'm with Sick M on the lid being necessary for pie-ness (heh), I just disagree on the lid being sufficient for pie-ness.

Having said that, I'm willing to believe that the true/technical definition does not require a lid. It's just... if someone were to offer pie, what would an average person expect? This may differ between countries but I'm not sure, there seems to be disagreement within countries too.

the straightforward cake known as the boston cream pie is the greatest pie travesty of all

cake pie is a lie

as counterpoint i offer Kendall Mint Cake

http://adambalic.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451be7269e20134884f3db2970c-800wi

clearly in the cake of soap tradition, denied

kendall mint urinal cake

have u ever tried it

never even heard of it

i've had it, it's best left to life or death situations on the side of a mountain i wd say

sad!!!!!!

ALL I WANT IS CAKE

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE CAKE

it does look like a poor last resort scroggin substitute

if i had heard of it before seeing it i would have pictured a cake, not a chunk

you're really right though i can't :/

i like it

is this the cake thread

not rising to that

There are tons of pies with no top. Pumpkin pie, key lime pie, chess pie, Dutch apple pie (a crumble), etc.

Notably, all American 'pies', except the one that even you say is a crumble (a crumble is not a pie).

That Kendall Mint Cake stuff is designed to appeal to climbers who've entered the so-called Death Zone above 23,000 ft of elevation. They lose all their appetite up there and must force themselves to eat anything, just to prevent catastrophic weight loss and weakness. It is almost pure sugar, with a shot of mint extract to make it a bit more palatable.

xpost A crumble topping, not a crumble, which is more or less the same here as a crisp (which of course elsewhere means a potato chip). But then we're going down the rabbit hole of nomenclature and slang. Regardless, just because other countries have fewer pies than we do does not make our other pies any less pie!

it raises concerns that ye'll call any old fuckin thing a pie which is relevant

bye bye miss tart

This is a Dutch apple pie:
http://search.chow.com/thumbnail/1280/800/www.chowstatic.com/assets/2013/09/30859_Recipeimage_620x413_dutch_apple_pie.jpg

Note the crumble topping.

This is a crumble:

http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/sites/default/files/styles/recipe/public/recipe_images/recipe-image-legacy-id--219487_11.jpg?itok=VWh9sJnD

Crumble has, well, crumble on top. But a pie is baked in a shell, top or no top.

http://www.thekitchn.com/pie-vs-tart-whats-the-differen-68710

A pie is a sweet or savory dish with a crust and a filling. The sides of a pie dish or pan are sloped. It can have a just a bottom, just a top, or both a bottom and a top crust. A pie crust is traditionally made of flour, salt, cold water, and lard (or shortening) but many pie crust recipes use a combination of fats such as butter, lard, or vegetable shortening, or just butter. The goal is a crisp, flaky crust. Pies are served straight from the dish in which they were baked.

A tart is a sweet or savory dish with shallow sides and only a bottom crust. Tart crusts are usually made from pastry dough: traditionally flour, unsalted butter, cold water, and sometimes sugar. The goal is a firm, crumbly crust. Tarts are baked in a pan with a removable bottom, or in pastry ring on top of a baking sheet so that it can be unmolded before serving.

They call them "cousins," along with galettes.

insufficient data

this thread

https://media.giphy.com/media/sIE0hveuiwCNG/giphy.gif

a pie is a featherless biped

this thread is kind of a pecan pie of sorts in that it is filled with nuts!

pie revisionists secretly voted cake

I think the only thing we can all agree on is that, no, Boston cream pie is not pie.

The Dutch Apple Pie does look like a pie! It has the bottom bit and the crumble makes a kind of lid, so it's more pie-like to me than tart type things.

The 'kitchn' link pretty much firms up the true definition, but I still maintain the average (British) person would expect both top and bottom crusts on something claiming to be a pie. Meaning is use and all that.

the average (British) person

outrageous imo

I voted cake before thinking this through and I've been regretting it every day

It's ok, there's no electoral college in ilx and the right candidate won.