Star Wars Anthology shit talk (Rogue One, Young Solo, TBD)

best thing abt this movie is how much it enhances the viewing of ANH, imo - eg there are new layers to every bit of dialogue spoken by Imperial officers. And Vader seems even more menacing in the first few scenes now that you know exactly how pissed off he was.

Exhibit A on how to make a prequel, basically.

otm. This was a movie made by someone who obviously loves Star Wars, and had the facility to make this story seem authentic, and completely a part of he existing SW universe. And yet also somehow not seem retro and fan-fiction-ish. Pretty amazing, really.

Did you guys read the bits about Disney supposedly wanting to downplay this movie? Still not sure what to make of that, if true.

so you're going to make a bunch of new characters and we can't put them in infinitely more pieces of side media because they all die? what the heck!

I bet at least one of them will turn up in the Han Solo movie

kind of curious how they're going to shoehorn in r2d2

I was actually thinking they could try to make a movie of what happens during the time Jyn is with Saw Gerrera -- but yeah, maybe they were just pissed it couldn't be built upon. Too bad, I rank it as the best SW movie since Jedi (which is how RYM has it at the moment too).

Saw yesterday that they're bringing Saw Gerrera onto SW Rebels, so that at least will be cool. That'll be three different media he's shown up in -- Clone Wars, Rogue One and Rebels.

best thing abt this movie is how much it enhances the viewing of ANH, imo

Agree with this, much more than I expected. It's a proper prequel, not adding unnecessary mythology, but expanding and enriching the story as we know/knew it.

(The Dracula's Castle bit was pretty silly, I admit. I think people on volcanic Vader duty got the short end of the stick compared to the troopers stationed in the Maldives.)

i like the idea that vader has a bachelor pad on the planet where his best friend and mentor cut his limbs off and set him on fire. it's metal as fuck imo

nice parallel to Kylo Ren's Vader shrine too. Dark side dudes are basically just eternally sulky teenagers

yeah if there's any place kylo ren is going to try to hang out if he gets a chance, it's grandpa's super metal volcano pad

Saw Gerrera

please tell me this is not an actual character name

that is forest whitaker's character's name. so sorry.

Better Call Saw

in theatres December 2020

"Quick, get me a rebel character name that sounds like Che Guavera!"
"How about ... Saw Gerrera?"
"Perfect!"

Vader Castle totally likehttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/52/Luminiferous.jpg

Saw Luzah

Watch Dominguez

ball-peen lopez

nice parallel to Kylo Ren's Vader shrine too. Dark side dudes are basically just eternally sulky teenagers

Emo Kylo Ren ‏@KyloR3n Dec 16

there is nothing worse than when you are watching a stirring tribute to young Darth Vader
and then someone has photoshopped in your mom

eternally sulky teenagers

know your audience

We can't all be Captain Sunshine like you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc2kFk5M9x4

some fair points.

They manage to refer to the non-Anglo characters not by their real names or character names but as "Guy McAccent" and "two Chinese guys." Outstanding.

i thought this was a fun star wars movie :)

I disagree with their premise. I thought this one succeeded specifically *because* of all the connections to A New Hope. Whereas The Force Awakens felt redundant, because it *was* A New Hope.

another, newer hope

I liked this more than they did, but I generally agree with their points. I don't agree though that this proves that you can't try something new with Star Wars films.

In general I like those guys, or their observations, but I think they were pretty inconsistent about what was good and bad based on whether it was new or redundant. Because this takes place literally right before A New Hope, of course there is going to be a ton of familiar stuff. Lack of Vader, or Cushing, or even R2D2/C3PO/Leah would be conspicuous, as would lack of giant laser ships and Death Star, etc. I do agree they could have done more with characters, given them some more depth, but I'm not sure how much depth Luke or Han or Leah had to begin with, they're just iconic roles reenforced by decades of fandom (in the proud tradition of b-movies). But, like, neither Fisher nor Hamill were particularly charismatic or good actors. They're carried by Ford, who *is* charismatic and a good (especially comedic) actor.

Lack of Vader, or Cushing, or even R2D2/C3PO/Leah would be conspicuous

Yes yes and no (also, Leia) - they could definitely have skipped the last section, but I don't think it shits on the rest of the film or anything.

my wife & i were talking about carrie fisher and how it's weird she's such a funny and charismatic person irl but she somehow loses that when the camera turns on

Surgery has not helped with facial expressions, I'm sorry to say.

they certainly didn't need to show Leia's face and Cushing could have appeared (briefly) by hologram or whatever. They were just too proud of the tech

xpost Yeah, I agree with that. They didn't need the latter, but it didn't exactly hurt things. It felt less like fan service than, I dunno, the two grouchy cantina creatures.

xposts but that's how Leia the character is written. She's written to be somewhat serious-minded, a leader, and she plays that well!

irl carrie fisher would not be quite so believable as a leader of rebellion forces

in the ESB commentary track she kids herself over having to memorize that Hoth speech about the ion cannon

i think it shows how good an actor she is that she's NOT carrie fisher, and that she can turn George's robocharacter into a likeable hero

they certainly didn't need to show Leia's face and Cushing could have appeared (briefly) by hologram or whatever. They were just too proud of the tech

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^^^

yeah at first I thought they were just going to show Tarkin only from behind and his face reflected on the window in that first scene. That would have avoided the uncanny valley issues, I think.

Need to watch this again to see how they hold up, as I just didn't get annoyed by Tarkin or Leia at all.

Might be interesting to see a side by side comparison with young Jeff Bridges in Tron legacy - I got the sense photo-realism CG hasn't really improved between the two films but then there were reshoots to contend with and you get a lot more of Moff than Jeff (I thought CGI Jeff looked pretty impressive/a bit more convincing at the time though).

I guess some people are less affected by this stuff than others. A coworker who saw this didn't even notice they were CGI and assumed they just used similar looking actors (she didn't watch the original star wars dozens of times as a kid like I did though, and only has a somewhat vague recollection of what those characters look like)

I imagine they are going to go back and redo the cgi Tarkin and Leia several times in the future so that in the special editions released in 10-15 years time it will probably look pretty much perfect.

Marvel have done the de-aging thing in a couple of their movies. It's a bit more convincing

I mean, I certainly knew they were CGI, and given that, looked amazingly good. I also knew a lot of the shots of x-wings were CGI, and for some reason, was less impressed. I hadn't read much about this movie before I saw, so I big part of my enjoyment had to do with not knowing they were coming.

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I am going to bring my 8 year old son to see this sometime in the next week and am going to ask him what he thinks of the CGI characters. I suspect he will not notice or be bothered by it at all.

May or may not have mentioned it, but my nine-year-old had no idea how they made Princess Leia young again. And didn't even notice the CGI Cushing at all. But then, she had no idea the actor was dead. Knowing that going in makes it hard to fully believe, no matter how good the effects.

like I'm going to listen to opinions on a Star Wars movie from a bunch of kids

For what it is worth, every time I watch older movies with my kids I make sure to stress how they were done without any computer effects at all. Just practical effects, or stunts, or models, or elaborate sets or paintings. Because otherwise they just assumed everything was done with computers, even black and white movies from the 1930s and 1940s. Because that's all they have known.

do your kids like the originals Josh?

Really Leia's CGI, I noticed it for the brief time she was on screen. However, I watch some clips of Ingvild Deila today and the one thing that had stood out to me during Rogue One - her teeth - belong to the actress. She also has a very similar face shape to ANH Fisher. I'm just not sure how much retouching she had.

i mean, the cgi was *weird*, but it didnt like ruin the movie for me or anything.

there was way more weird-face cgi in the first Captain America movie when they did bizarro scrawny Steve, and I still like and watch that movie

it doesnt upset the movie & the characters being there makes sense, it's not that big of a deal imo

unless doll-eyed tarkin gives you nightmares idk ymmv