South Park: Classic or Dud?

i liked how mr. garrison's rallies were like stand up comedy sets

there are lot of interesting ideas that had promise but have either lost steam and deflated or were completely given up. Cartman being woke sort of just gradually stops happening. the Memberberries kept hinting at some far more interesting plot than the ham-fisted commentary (them all lined up in the white house). the internet troll subplot was kinda cool but apparently that's over now and the resolution left no change in the world so it was pointless outside of some more ham-fisted commentary ("Pushing buttons is good for humanity", etc).

not that the show isn't still funny from time to time but at the start of the season it felt like they may be sacrificing humor for the serialization: even if it wasn't funny, it was going to be interesting to see where it goes. now even that is wearing thin. not only is the humor low, the serialization is aimless and not interesting.

the serialization is really hurting this show. they need to get back on that flavor of the week thing.

Did you notice the title of the finale?

This season went completely off the rails, but in a pretty interesting way. They needed time to prepare for the Trump era and they had none.

don't they make these episodes in like a week

Yeah but existential crisis-inducing paradigm shifts probably take > a week to turn into animated comedy scripts, I would assume.

they had less than 24 hours (probably closer to 12) to adjust the election episode

they had like a year and 4 months to consider it

xpost i noticed the title, honestly didn't realize it was the season finale. they resolved one plot (with another hilarious Star Wars-is-hacky joke) and left a bunch of stuff out there.

it's weird, the entire season felt like a two-parter that was half finished and stretched out for season length.

like the us election so

http://kotaku.com/new-south-park-game-gets-harder-if-you-play-a-black-cha-1801944202

well this seems like it could be ... open to misinterpretation

can't believe this has been on almost as long as Gunsmoke

New ep didn't do much for me, tho the redneck version of HUMBLE did make me laugh

this show is never gonna be good again is it

last episode felt like it was for media junkies who think "Delete your account" was brilliant satire

aw i liked cartman's suicide-pop parody

Thought this was a major improvement over last week

And that cartman rap was a clear nod to that logic song

last week's was so bad, outside of that great scene w Cartman surrounded by smart devices all chanting at each other. feel like they referenced that here with Tweek and all the fidget spinners.

ive come to accept the politics of this show are incoherent by design, they are just pop culture references, nothing intended. they need to focus more on the kids, kinda getting tired of Cartman's white knight thing, next episode he is going to be an annoying Climate Change guy.

they are funniest when making fun of consumerism and how these things divide the kids.

this show is never gonna be good again is it

tbf it was never that good

Imaginationland man

the red wedding console wars

i remember the movie being pretty good its been a while since ive seen it tho

I loved Tweek's song at the beginning if I'm honest.

Old park >>> new south park >>>>>>> most other things >>>>>>>>> ppl who say south park isn't good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ppl who say south park was never good >>>>>> Hitler >>>>>>>>> centrists

ive come to accept the politics of this show are incoherent by design, they are just pop culture references

thank you. tell that to the alt-right thread.

tbf it was never that good

no one was talking to you.

xp Cartman's 1st song was the only good part sadly.

Tweek's song at the very beginning was a good song but I didn't laugh. I was just feelin' his song.

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the use of 'the super bowl shuffle' on last night's episode had me on the floor

^this! the episode with the NFL waterbears was insane. one of the funniest things they have ever done!

these guys have a lot to answer for, in retrospect

Is this in reference to something specific/newsworthy or are you speaking generally.

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these guys have a lot to answer for, in retrospect

― frogbs, Tuesday, June 12, 2018 2:38 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is the most cornball reheated twitter opinion from people who are actually just a few funko pops away from being a normie

shut the fuck up Whiney

me otm

South Park: Classic or Dud?

basically have come to the realization that this show taught my entire generation that caring about things is deeply uncool and that the truth is always somewhere in the middle, both philosophies which led us directly into the hellscape we're in today

they do exemplify the earliest stirrings of that intersection between tech nerds, libertarianism, and racism/being "offensive" as an end in istelf (4chan etc). It's no coincidence that the first people I knew who had the original Xmas card short and absolutely died laughing at it/thought it were the best thing ever were tech nerds at Burning Man in 1996.

Parker & Stone stink of rich chud-ism and i suspect SP is a key reason that Trump has any kind of support among people under the age of 36 at all.

Counterpoint: anyone with functioning critical faculties can enjoy the funny bits and tell Trey & Matt to stfu on the many occasions when it's warranted.

Which is to say that the real issue is the faulty critical faculties that might allow anyone to think it's cool to allow a crudely-animated cartoon to influence any part of their worldview.

Like, I definitely share your concerns in a general sense, frogs. I just don't think SP is to blame.

gotta love libertarians who think empirical science is "lol gay"

you don't think SP's massive success served as a model for anyone/anything?

xp

Sure. But to the extent that that's true, it's because a lot of people's brains are constantly sputtering and emitting showers of sparks.

if you believe people get their moral centers wholly from a single cartoon they watched as a kid then yeah knock yourself out blaming these guys

The one SP moment that actually stuck with me as somewhat profound was in the n-word episode when Stan finally conceded that he didn't understand Token's experience and never fully would. Pretty much everything else has been ignorable stupidity that occasionally makes me laugh.

maybe it was a little irresponsible of them to fan said sputtering showers of sparks with dynamite, imo

my position isn't as simple as "people get their moral centers wholly from a single cartoon", it's that they played a role in the broader culture which normalized and "made cool" a bunch of positions, modes of discourse, and imagery that were previously beyond the pale and relegated to the fringes.

xp

they are part of a cultural strain that equated being offensive with a mark of quality in and of itself - they weren't the first to do it by any means, but they definitely served as an amplifier for it as a raison d'etre

white guys enjoying the privilege of being transgressive, what could go wrong

i can't really speak to later years of south park as i checked out over a decade ago but while i enjoyed it when it was just an offensive dumb cartoon, and i was a teenager, increasingly south park became a very political show promoting, in almost every episode, an anti-pc libertarianism, and lib-baiting.

Parker & Stone are far from beyond criticism, but blaming a dumb cartoon for society's ills is kind of along the lines of Grisham blaming Natural Born Killers for his friend's murder.

xp. although we've gotten a bit past anti-pic libertarianism now with the alt-right (though libertarianism is a gateway drug to white supremacy and fascism generally)