p smart imo
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 December 2016 18:05 (seven years ago) link
you really think a post-fact republican electorate is somehow going to realise that the reason their lives have gotten worse after trump takes power is because of the people they voted for and not democrat interference / immigrants / a vengeful god / whatever bullshit their Facebook feed tells them?
― the criss angel's death song (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 December 2016 18:20 (seven years ago) link
no but from a policy level it makes sense to preserve things where possible
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 December 2016 18:21 (seven years ago) link
even if it falls on deaf ears/preaching to the choir, still necessary (if far from sufficient) to 'fact-check' Trump IMO
― flopson, Monday, 5 December 2016 18:22 (seven years ago) link
For blue state Democrats, this is obviously a second-best, half-a-loaf solution that still leaves half the country — alas, along with the federally dependent blue states of Maryland and Virginia and the District — to experience the full impact of the Trump Revolution. Care would also have to be taken to assure that the higher tax rates in blue states don’t prompt too many companies and wealthy taxpayers to flee.
Also, though Virginia voted blue, and has a Democratic governor, it has a Republican led legislature, so all of those things formerly done by the Feds that the writer says blue states can now do themselves if Republican health care plans, etc pass, will not get passed in Virginia. I don't think its going to be so simple for blue Dem states to pick up the ball, or for Dems to get a message out to those in red states that things are now worse because of the new Washington administration.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 5 December 2016 18:24 (seven years ago) link
I'm not going to give King shit over the idea of a boycott, but I don't think this is a productive or realistic way to go about one.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 5 December 2016 18:26 (seven years ago) link
― flopson, Monday, December 5, 2016 1:22 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
just seems depressing to think that the POTUS would spread false information, and no one would fact-check him, because strategically we don't think it's going to work.
― flopson, Monday, 5 December 2016 18:30 (seven years ago) link
my take away from King and the WP article is that there ARE ways to fight back, but as curmudgeon says it won't be simple and will involve lots of resourcefulness and cooperations. I'm getting tired of all the sky is falling/hopelessness and want to start looking for solutions, personally.
― Darin, Monday, 5 December 2016 18:30 (seven years ago) link
you really think a post-fact republican electorate is somehow going to realise that the reason their lives have gotten worse after trump takes power is because of the people they voted for
maybe not 100% of them, but if 20% of them do that could be enough to swing the swing states back in the right direction
― the late great, Monday, 5 December 2016 18:32 (seven years ago) link
not saying he shouldn't be fact-checked -- how often does he tell the truth per day? -- but don't expect it to be his downfall
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2016 18:34 (seven years ago) link
http://blueamerica.crooksandliars.com/howie-klein/why-its-not-all-gloom-and-doom-around
Howie Klein's Blue America pac funds left-wing candidates in the house.
On his blog and twitter he is doom and gloom though, grumbling about Republicans, corporate Dems, rural centrist Dems, the House Dem progressive caucus for including a Silicon valley Dem rep who he says is not progressive, Pelosi, etc.
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/
― curmudgeon, Monday, 5 December 2016 18:49 (seven years ago) link
xp- I don't think anyone's expecting that
― flopson, Monday, 5 December 2016 18:50 (seven years ago) link
When I was a kid and "political twitter" was called Usenet, I was in a group with Klein that argued with conservatives in the waning days of the Clinton era. He seemed like a good dude if pretty high-strung, especially about Israel IIRC. Somewhere I have a mix CD he sent to everyone with a lewd electronic song that samples Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing "Sex With Your Parents."
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 5 December 2016 19:18 (seven years ago) link
^^ said in the voice of Linda Hamilton voice-over in Terminator 2.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 December 2016 19:21 (seven years ago) link
Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing "Sex With Your Parents."
best duet of all time imo
― the criss angel's death song (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 December 2016 19:41 (seven years ago) link
also ty for new screenname
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing Sex With Your Parents (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 December 2016 19:42 (seven years ago) link
thank god for quotation marks
― ¶ (DJP), Monday, 5 December 2016 19:42 (seven years ago) link
bizarro, your second post predictably acted on the idea planted in my head by your first post. Bravo.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 December 2016 19:50 (seven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/kalebhorton/status/805855988263698432
um
― frogbs, Monday, 5 December 2016 19:52 (seven years ago) link
nothing on pat mcrory losing (and finally conceding?)
liked this article:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/12/why-pat-mccrory-lost-and-what-it-means-in-trumps-america.html
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 5 December 2016 19:59 (seven years ago) link
I'm embarrassed to say this is the first I've heard of Moral Mondays. But when I googled and a Redstate article started off with "North Carolina's icon of rotund pomposity, “Reverend” William Barber, has lumbered forth to lead another “Moral Monday” protest in Raleigh..." I figured if it pisses them off it must be good. Sign me up.
― Devastatin' Dan the Suggest Ban Man (Dan Peterson), Monday, 5 December 2016 20:07 (seven years ago) link
Still would love to know how McCrory lost when Trump won in NC.
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Monday, 5 December 2016 20:08 (seven years ago) link
McCrory pissed off a lot of Republican voters with his I-77 highway toll plan, as dumb as that sounds. He lost at least 15,000 votes in solidly Republican areas of northern Mecklenburg County, which was enough to account for the margin of victory and more. Pundits are going to act like it was HB2 that did it, but nope, highways. Nothing to see here.
http://wfae.org/post/mccrory-loses-home-turf-blame-i-77-tolls-hb2-shifting-vote-patterns
― Gatemouth, Monday, 5 December 2016 20:19 (seven years ago) link
So people are actually *worse* than I thought. Good to know!
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Monday, 5 December 2016 20:20 (seven years ago) link
i put McCrory in the other thread, what i think of for non-federal non-WH news
American politics 2016: Lawyers, Guns, and D-Money
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2016 20:28 (seven years ago) link
now Dana Rohrabacher is the possible State appointee? are they trying to see who can induce the most puking?
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2016 20:38 (seven years ago) link
hahaha waaaaaht
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 December 2016 20:39 (seven years ago) link
he was my district rep growing up, have hated him literally all my life
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 December 2016 20:42 (seven years ago) link
I joked about it before but my ability to laugh about the idea of a President Luthor assembling his Legion of Doom has diminished as that comparison has become more scarily accurate (minus the superpowers, thankfully).
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 December 2016 20:44 (seven years ago) link
for those of you unfamiliar w/ Dana
https://twitter.com/jeremyscahill/status/805806949644333056
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2016 20:47 (seven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/cool_as_heck/status/803343911364149248
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Monday, 5 December 2016 20:52 (seven years ago) link
btw Gore did get face time w/ the Yam himself, said it was "an extremely interesting conversation"
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38211695
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2016 21:03 (seven years ago) link
not sure what to make of that
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 5 December 2016 21:06 (seven years ago) link
"It was like speaking to a nascent form of artificial intelligence that's in the process of understanding sentence structure and what words mean. Fascinating."
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 December 2016 21:07 (seven years ago) link
bizarre
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 December 2016 21:08 (seven years ago) link
maybe heartening because i've read that the people closest to his ears are his kids and he basically just seems to think whatever the last person told him to think
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 5 December 2016 21:09 (seven years ago) link
if I was in his cabinet my immediate strategy would be to make sure I was always the last one to talk to Chump
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 December 2016 21:10 (seven years ago) link
that was the strategy observed by Reagan-Bush II advisors
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 December 2016 21:17 (seven years ago) link
I love the anecdotal tale of his advisers influencing him by appearing on TV and introducing their ideas via that conduit.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 December 2016 21:25 (seven years ago) link
There are going to be a lot of oval office meetings that involve someone accidentally dropping their pen on the way out the door, searching for it until everyone else has left, and then getting the last word in with trump
― Karl Malone, Monday, 5 December 2016 22:12 (seven years ago) link
http://www.xe.com/en/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=CNY
looks like Trump just took out the Chinese economy with a couple of tweets
― frogbs, Monday, 5 December 2016 22:24 (seven years ago) link
if you want a vision of the future, imagine a room full of people on their hands and knees scouring the carpet for their 'lost' pens / phones / contact lenses which none of them ever find, while an oblivious president trump tweets the nuclear codes xp
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 December 2016 22:29 (seven years ago) link
That is the opposite of the direction he wanted their currency to go in, tbf.
xp
― Bubba H.O.T.A.P.E (ShariVari), Monday, 5 December 2016 22:29 (seven years ago) link
that BBC image of gore on the elevator makes it look like he's about to be encased in carbonite
― geometry-stabilized craft (art), Monday, 5 December 2016 22:50 (seven years ago) link
well, it *would* be a carbon sink
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 December 2016 22:51 (seven years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/opinion/why-i-will-not-cast-my-electoral-vote-for-donald-trump.html?smid=tw-share
― Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 5 December 2016 23:28 (seven years ago) link
He is going to vote for kasich or something dumb like that. We need these traitors to be traitors for us. They need to vote for Clinton.
― Treeship, Monday, 5 December 2016 23:35 (seven years ago) link
this is not going to matter
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 December 2016 23:42 (seven years ago) link
Yeah that too
― Treeship, Monday, 5 December 2016 23:44 (seven years ago) link
I want Trump's transition to be resisted at all turns though. This way when he does something egregious no one can say they are surprised. He shouldn't be treated like a normal president.
― Treeship, Monday, 5 December 2016 23:45 (seven years ago) link