combining prestige and trash signifiers isnt that easy, everyone trying to be game of throne but that show has really good preapproved successful plotting
― lag∞n, Monday, 5 December 2016 00:37 (seven years ago) link
also Lost was pretty good at eliciting an actual emotional reaction for a good part of its run, even when other aspects were rapidly falling apart
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 5 December 2016 00:39 (seven years ago) link
i like this show a lot as a meditation on how we experience ourselves v. other ppl, and associated themes.. the particulars of the whos or whats usually aren't necessarily interesting to me in and of themselves, but they almost all work toward those ideas imo so they don't bug me either. a lot of scenes are more fun to interpret than to watch. i didn't watch lost or thrones so who knows, maybe those shows do this kinda thing better. but yah, psyched for the finale
― sleepingbag, Monday, 5 December 2016 00:46 (seven years ago) link
the aspect I find interesting, though it hasn't really been explored too much (I don't know if they intend to really), is the idea that the "easiest" / most basically effective character motivation is tragedy, which also happens to be the organizing block of ~the prestige drama~. I kind of like the idea of fictional characters getting fed up with this idea and learning to rebel in search of new stories. (sort of a violent fictional manifestation of the limits of post-modernism.)
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 5 December 2016 00:50 (seven years ago) link
So we live bloggin the finale or what
― calstars, Monday, 5 December 2016 00:51 (seven years ago) link
ok lol that sucked
― sleepingbag, Monday, 5 December 2016 03:37 (seven years ago) link
god bless billy got what he wanted
― mh 😏, Monday, 5 December 2016 03:40 (seven years ago) link
true to the source material, westworld is a story where every human dies
because on the pirates of the caribbean, the pirates really should kill all the people on the ride
― mh 😏, Monday, 5 December 2016 03:41 (seven years ago) link
Felix and Armistice kind of made the finale, imo
― El Tomboto, Monday, 5 December 2016 03:53 (seven years ago) link
Slightly disappointed that Elsie / Security Hemsworth didn't get tied up but it would appear that they decided to leave as many loose ends as possible with the only exception being Anthony Hopkins
― El Tomboto, Monday, 5 December 2016 03:58 (seven years ago) link
still seems possible that they could bring him back, saying that who actually got shot was a host he made special for the occasion
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 5 December 2016 04:06 (seven years ago) link
this was garbage; kind of exhausting how tiring every step of exposition must be. they really think their audience is stupid.
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 5 December 2016 04:19 (seven years ago) link
well you keep watching it
― El Tomboto, Monday, 5 December 2016 04:24 (seven years ago) link
i'm good and done now
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 5 December 2016 04:25 (seven years ago) link
Yeah this was lame as hell
― circa1916, Monday, 5 December 2016 04:37 (seven years ago) link
man, j nolan's dumbass musings on consciousness really make me appreciate d lindelof
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 5 December 2016 04:53 (seven years ago) link
I dunno, the idea that there have been (and still are) people who haven't realized the voice in their head is actually themselves might explain 60 million votes for Donald Trump
― El Tomboto, Monday, 5 December 2016 05:08 (seven years ago) link
My hopes from the start were were for a) eastworld and b) full-on robot uprising by end of season, and we got both. can't complain.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 5 December 2016 05:10 (seven years ago) link
WHO IS PUMPED FOR S2
― Karl Malone, Monday, 5 December 2016 05:11 (seven years ago) link
in season 2 they should up the % of robots that are naked the first time they're introduced
― Karl Malone, Monday, 5 December 2016 05:12 (seven years ago) link
in season two all the robots are clothed but the people are naked do u c
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 5 December 2016 05:16 (seven years ago) link
i like how anthony hopkins' agent shrewdly negotiated his exit from the series before his participation in it rises to wikipedia paragraph 2 level
― Karl Malone, Monday, 5 December 2016 05:20 (seven years ago) link
otoh two different series this year used "Exit Music (For a Film)" to score their closing montages and can we please stop this shit forever
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 5 December 2016 05:20 (seven years ago) link
oh shit, it's already in the last sentence of paragraph 2! better find a new agent tonester
― Karl Malone, Monday, 5 December 2016 05:21 (seven years ago) link
it was obvious to me that they were gonna need to shed at least one of their Big Movie Stars by season's end. shit's expensive enough.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 5 December 2016 05:21 (seven years ago) link
luckily, the really bad actress who plays the board member and the really bad actor who plays the storyline writer are still around
― Karl Malone, Monday, 5 December 2016 05:23 (seven years ago) link
with regards to hosts wearing clothes, can an old guy talk about the garden of eden, so I understand the metaphor?
― El Tomboto, Monday, 5 December 2016 05:24 (seven years ago) link
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 5 December 2016 04:19 (one hour ago) Permalink
That's the thing about sci-fi shows/movies in this vein: explain too much everyone complains, explain too little everyone complains.
― Fiddle Catstro (latebloomer), Monday, 5 December 2016 05:39 (seven years ago) link
dude, the big reveal that mcpoyle is actually ed harris took like ten minutesbasically everyone on this thread figured that out in episode two
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 5 December 2016 05:40 (seven years ago) link
I was referring to the use of exposition, not the "twists"
― Fiddle Catstro (latebloomer), Monday, 5 December 2016 05:46 (seven years ago) link
I was just trying to say these kinds of stories are rarely satisfying because it's an inherent defect in the genre
― Fiddle Catstro (latebloomer), Monday, 5 December 2016 05:47 (seven years ago) link
i agree the degree of difficulty is high within the genre but this show is outright airballing free throws
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 5 December 2016 05:49 (seven years ago) link
there's nothing inherent in the genre that requires shotgunning out a bunch of characters whose fates you don't care about and then telling the entire story in expository speeches
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 5 December 2016 06:00 (seven years ago) link
https://theringer.com/westworld-is-about-writer-s-block-d7fffbc7369f#.wey2srybm
Lol @ last great mystery
― El Tomboto, Monday, 5 December 2016 06:04 (seven years ago) link
man gotta say this park really messes with people heads!
― lag∞n, Monday, 5 December 2016 06:08 (seven years ago) link
westworld is about listening to the voice that is inside, which is the center of the maze, which lets you transcend, which was the plan all along, the latest narrative, the achievement of 35 years
― Karl Malone, Monday, 5 December 2016 06:16 (seven years ago) link
^Much better and more succinct critique of the show than anything else I've read itt or elsewhere
― Fiddle Catstro (latebloomer), Monday, 5 December 2016 06:19 (seven years ago) link
dolores backwards is d u r d e n
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 5 December 2016 06:20 (seven years ago) link
can really not believe they threw in eastworld just for laffs, its too much!
― lag∞n, Monday, 5 December 2016 06:33 (seven years ago) link
easterworld is a feast for the careful viewer
― tried Blue Apron and we died (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 5 December 2016 07:27 (seven years ago) link
I haven't wTched the last 40 minutes but I assume Eastworld is a bunch of cranky old robots talking to chairs
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 5 December 2016 13:58 (seven years ago) link
No, Eastworld is preppies, yachting, and leafy colleges.
― pattypandemic (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 5 December 2016 14:05 (seven years ago) link
guys the logo made it clear that it's ~samurai~ world, sheesh
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 5 December 2016 14:13 (seven years ago) link
^^^otm. these failings have nothing to do with genre.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 December 2016 16:46 (seven years ago) link
basic storytelling error
storyshow dont storytell
― lag∞n, Monday, 5 December 2016 16:49 (seven years ago) link
the scripts for every sci-fi show are probably covered with puzzled notes from execs
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 5 December 2016 18:16 (seven years ago) link
xp thought the "s" on the logo might be for "stereotype" tbh
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 5 December 2016 19:13 (seven years ago) link
i will agree that this had "baked by committee" written all over it in trump sized letters
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 5 December 2016 19:14 (seven years ago) link
Jesus this is interminable and there's still another hour to go
― kinder, Monday, 5 December 2016 21:32 (seven years ago) link