Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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More than you fear for Everton?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd be really scared if I was an Everton fan. The one here at work told me yesterday "I just don't want us to be totally humiliated"

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

But ... Liverpool have a new manager who is supposed to take them back to their journey up to The Next Level. And he seems to be taking them downwards. Or maybe not - maybe his plan is still sound?

They did win last night in Europe - I must not forget that.

the bellefox, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

how is he taking them downwards?

Selling Owen is not necessarily bad business, wait until he buys a possible replacement first, plus money now is better than no money next year.

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't beleive Benitez is taking Liverpool downward - especially if Alonso signs and the Cisse-Baros partnership works. Murphy has been a minor player over the past two seasons and his loss is hardly going to be the end of the club. And the Owen money would probably be more useful than Owen himself in this day and age - especially if they can bring in Morientes or someone in his place.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Liverpool fans have nothing to fear - they're replacing quality with quality as some Rednose once said. If they close the gap on the top three without actually catching them it'll still be a successful season ('team in transition', blah blah blah). In 05-06 they might be expected to win something.

EFC weakest since summer of '94.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Murphy departure = END OF THE CLUB, OFFICIAL

'in this day and age'

the bellefox, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

ha ha that's cobblers

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Murphy was, incidentally, one of the few good things about ITV's Euro2004 coverage. Remarkably astute and articulate - a future Premiership on Monday pundit spot awaits him, no doubt. I also remember some "Encourage the kiddies to read" initiative a while back where footballers talked about their favourite books. Most of them nominated things like 'The Winds in the Willows' etc, but Murphy's choice was 'The Anatomy of Motive'.

We will probably be drubbed by Manyoo this season as a result of his departure, though.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I have always liked Murphy; seemed a good solid professional, dedicated and hardworking. A credit to Dario Gradi.

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't know Jerry the Nipper supported Liverpool. Did I?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Boyle, is that a self-parody mail?

I don't know The Anatomy of Motive.

Premiership on Monday is over - for now.

Clive?

the bellefox, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I really rated Murphy. I recall that Houllier told him he needed to up his game if he wanted a place - he didn't tell his agent to plant stories issuing a come and get me plea in a bid to rid Mighty Murph of his ANFIELD HELL. He just knuckled down, picked up his game, and was a credit to his profession. Top lad.

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

it's just a shame that he's a complete confidence player, when he's flying he's great, but he gets a few bad games under his belt and it takes him a long while to come back up to form.

I *really * hope he does well at Charlton, lovely lad he is.

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

(So... were *those* mails self-parodies?)

the bellefox, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Comed? Of which mails do you speak?

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I think he'll do very well indeed at Charlton - Jeffers is a more interesting one.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I've just added Jeffers to my fantasy side, so I am hoping he works out well - he feels like a gamble.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Murphy's always been alright with me, especially for those couple of goals against United over the years.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

He's a solid lad, no fancy dan stuff.

the dreamfox, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Certainly not a "big time charlie".

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

everton are only 3 places behind man u at the mo... 8)

http://www.4thegame.com/

koogs (koogs), Monday, 16 August 2004 07:21 (twenty-one years ago)

everton are awful.

liverpool will be there or thereabouts.

cºzen (Cozen), Monday, 16 August 2004 07:53 (twenty-one years ago)

(sorry mike. still, at least palace are doing well... what are you going to do next weekend when they play each other?)

koogs (koogs), Monday, 16 August 2004 08:04 (twenty-one years ago)

There may be a new manager and a new strike force but Liverpool looked pretty much exactly the same as they did last season. Baros was poor and Sinima-P looks like a nasty piece of work - I think they sent the wrong young striker out on loan as Le Tallec looked pretty useful on occasions last year. I like the look of Djibril Cisse though, and Josemi looks a good signing.

Spurs had seven new players (bargain basement Chelsea!) and put in a pretty solid defensive display but had no midfield creativity and rarely looked dangerous going forward, Defoe aside. Who'd have thought it?

Steve Finnan on the wing looks like a patch-up job akin to Tottenham's embryo at left back. Not a huge amount of depth in that Liverpool squad right now, is there?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 16 August 2004 08:16 (twenty-one years ago)

it's a bit weak yes, I like the look of Josemi though - he was pretty solid, and still like the look of Carragher at CB, not sure about him getting turned so easily by Defoe though.

I like Finnan on the right wing for some reason, I know I shouldn't. I think Liverpool are a winger and a striker (at least) short of being a bet for Champs league status though. A striker being the upmost importance (I can't believe they don't have an Owen replacement contingency - my bet is Beattie)

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 16 August 2004 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

My bet is Mista.

MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 16 August 2004 08:52 (twenty-one years ago)

All it takes is for a bigger club to wave a shiny sixpence in front of Defoe (now apparently the future of English football) and he'll join them.

I'm quite worried about these Man Utd rumours, it must be said.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 16 August 2004 08:57 (twenty-one years ago)

what are you going to do next weekend when they play each other?

Sit in the Main Stand at Selhurst Park and grit my teeth (thanks to Tim H for the ticket).

I didn't see yesterday's debacle (I was at work and it took a text message from TH to remind me it was even happening - it was 0-3 by then so no great further pain) but I'm sure Arsenal will do that to a dozen teams this season. I thought Carsley's goal was sweet.

We started 84-85 with a 1-4 home defeat, y'know...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 16 August 2004 10:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Xabi Alonso looks like a done deal, this is a *very good* thing, a good basque boy who probably loves his mum very much. I like his style, he is very good

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder if he will import his mum, like Reyes.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

most likely, and a few black pigs too hopefully

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Mmm, black bacon.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Does he luv his mum like that that other spanish chap who admitted being breastfed until 10?

Dave B (daveb), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, DC: Finnan for Spurs' right-back slot?

the bellefox, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd be okay with that, but I like Stephen Kelly as well. I'd prefer a creative midfielder or two though.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 07:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Xabi Alonso has a foot and a half in Liverpool:

http://elmundodeporte.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/2004/08/17/futbol/1092756704.html

That's still half a foot in the dancing streets of Sociedad, though.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 08:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Not a footy thing, but: did anyone hear Radio 4's documentary on the Liverpool Playhouse on Sunday?

I liked it, though they all said nice things about each other all day long.

In footy news, Everton scored more goals than Liverpool, this weekend!

the bluefox, Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

We were eventually pretty impressive on Saturday.

Bent looked like he'd rather be anywhere but SE25 at first, but this was deceptive - he's not a wild, impassionate, get-stuck-in merchant like so many less talented Blues of recent years, but rather more cool and considered. He got better and better and was ultimately running the show with Gravesen. Big Dunc came on and was rubbish as ever - moaning at teammates and unable to direct a single header. Palace were lamb-like after Tommy G's peach on the hour. I loved my afternoon in the Selhurst sun.

So...our Russian benefactor - it's not Boris Zingarevich, but his 'football-mad' son Anton. I need some convincing this is an unambiguously good thing.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 23 August 2004 07:18 (twenty-one years ago)

From When Saturday Comes' messageboard:

Boris Zingarevich graduated from the Technological University for Pulp and Paper Industry in St. Petersburg, Russia and began his professional career as a technician at Kondopoga Pulp and Paper Mill in 1985. Four years later, Mr. Zingarevich was promoted to Production Manger of St. Petersburg Cartonboard Mill. In 1991, he started his own furniture manufacturing business with the support of friends and family. In 1992, when the state was no longer a monopolist for export sales, Mr. Zingarevich founded Ilim Pulp Enterprise as a trading company specializing in export sales of pulp and paper products. During 1994, he began acquiring pulp and paper manufacturers with the goal of establishing a vertically integrated forest products company. He was successful in this effort and Ilim Pulp Enterprise acquired majority ownership of Kotlas Pulp and Paper Mill, Bratsk Forest Industry Complex and St. Petersburg Cartonboard Mill. Mr. Zingarevich currently serves on the Board of Directors for Ilim Pulp Enterprises, which employs 36,000 people with annual sales in excess of $1 billion. The Ilim Group is the 67th largest processor of timber in the world today.

Seems he's not in the Roman 'I'm a scarily evil cunt of a shitbag twathead privatising asset-stripping thief fuckhead of a arsehole' Abramovich league, which i'd say was good for Everton.

Dave B (daveb), Monday, 23 August 2004 08:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that the official Supporters Direct angle on Abramovitch, Dave?

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 23 August 2004 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Very unoffocial and very personal. Who is Dave? Who are Supp0rters D1r3ct? Can we plz google proof pls and Roman Abram0v1ch genuinely scare me.

Dave B (daveb), Monday, 23 August 2004 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry Dave!

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 23 August 2004 10:16 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
Everton just can't stop winning.

Liverpool are back.

the bellefox, Monday, 13 September 2004 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

back of the queue?

ken c (ken c), Monday, 13 September 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

third!

koogs (koogs), Monday, 20 September 2004 08:26 (twenty-one years ago)

This is a bit off

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N146075040919-1115.htm

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Monday, 20 September 2004 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Stuart Hall's 'bullfighting' interview of Rafael Benitez on 5 Live was excruciatingly bad. He wanted to show off the Spanish he picked up during the It's a Knockout years. Actually, I don't think Franco would let Spain participate in It's a Knockout, he must have picked it up on holiday. Anyway, it was painful because of Stuart Hall, but I found myself liking Benitez for the first time. I hope he beats Mourinho.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I am worried about Liverpool. 'Average, appalling, abysmal'. On the limited evidence of the highlights, that sounded close enough to accurate.

Everton will bounce back. It is probably right that Redknapp gets a ban.

Today I found myself thinking of Trevor Steven, and how he never convinced me. I guess I always came at him from the wrong angle.

the bluefox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Redknapp's ban will coincide nicely with the return of Davies and Carrick, thus pushing him way down the pecking order. I suspect that, during suspension, he will injure himself for the rest of the season in training. Therefore claiming that he was never dropped - he was just unlucky with injuries and suspension.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)


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