I think that's a cheat code you can only use if you're rich/famous (bloomberg, schwarzenegger etc.) - since you get free entry to the club and don't have to work your way up via local party politics
― iatee, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:52 (seven years ago) link
but like we could totally have bruce springsteen 'decade to become a republican' and run for president, that would 100% work
― iatee, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:53 (seven years ago) link
Someone in Ohio did that recently -- she was as member of the Cuyahoga County Republican Committee and ran for the Ohio House as a Republican. She lost to the incumbent Democrat, then resigned and revealed that she herself is actually a Democrat. Not that incumbents generally have any trouble getting re-elected, but see if you can locate a reason why Republicans may not have been running to vote for her in droves:
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2016/11/cuyahoga_county_gop_central_co.html
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:54 (seven years ago) link
i really kinda think the lesson of the election is that real celebrity trumps political celebrity and basically any famous enough* actor could beat pretty much any politician. *thus why fred thompson doesn't qualify for this rule
― Mordy, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:55 (seven years ago) link
https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/videos/10155136713370725/
I think I figured out who Donald Trump reminds me of, it's Tommy Wiseau
― frogbs, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link
that and being dead xp
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link
yeah the 'maybe these idiots just voted for him because he's famous' narrative should get at least as much play as the 'he truly connected with a wounded wwc' narrative currently does
― iatee, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:06 (seven years ago) link
'these idiots want to be entertained while the ship goes down'
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:27 (seven years ago) link
betsy devos for secretary of education
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:29 (seven years ago) link
That is fucking GROSS
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:29 (seven years ago) link
rip public schools
― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:30 (seven years ago) link
god FUCK these people
my office manager's kid goes to a charter school - it went bust literally two weeks into the school year and the kid had to find a new high school in september. ridic.
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:33 (seven years ago) link
creationist, married to amway heir, brother of blackwater founder
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:34 (seven years ago) link
brother is, rather
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link
ugh gross
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link
On behalf of all of Michigan I apologize for the entire DeVos family and their hideous partners in evil the VanAndels, Calvinism, Amway, the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, ALEC, Eric Prince, and all the hellspawn that we have vomited out over the years thanks to our Dutch Calvinist forebears and the religious right.
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link
lol xposted to mookie but yeah he hit the high points.
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:36 (seven years ago) link
And by high points I mean just give us to Canada.
this is useful:
http://www.chalkbeat.org/posts/us/2016/11/22/what-a-betsy-devos-appointment-would-tell-us-about-donald-trumps-education-plans/
Sounds like not even a charter advocate so much as an out-and-out voucher and full privatization advocate. There are of course nowhere near the number of necessary private schools anywhere to accommodate the demand that would be created by a massive voucher program, so you're going to wind up with a lot of shitty fly-by-night operations popping up.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:39 (seven years ago) link
vomit, just a steady stream of vomit every day
and here I was worried last week that Michelle Rhee might get the nod
spin the garbage wheel wheeee
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:41 (seven years ago) link
Bernie should really get his staff in check. Look at this terrible messaging:https://twitter.com/sensanders/status/801253188821250048
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:44 (seven years ago) link
"but"
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:47 (seven years ago) link
you're going to wind up with a lot of shitty fly-by-night operations popping up...
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, November 23, 2016
hmm who can we think of knows a lil sum'm about that business...
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:48 (seven years ago) link
So basically they'll do this with income tax credits, right? Like a huge income tax credit for private schooling. If they make it large enough to actually cover private school tuition in most places, it will gut public schools. If they don't, it's just a big giveaway to people already wealthy enough for private school. Either way, disgusting.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:50 (seven years ago) link
Well, that just quadruples my determination to get involved in tutoring and after school programs and who even knows what the fuck all educational initiatives. If Captain Evil and his band of merry dipshits are dead set upon dismantling this country, it feels like everybody needs to do what they can to fortify their communities and shore up the deprivation.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:50 (seven years ago) link
It's intended to make the state pay for families who send their children to private Christian schools btw. That's the whole point of the entire decades-long scheme.
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:51 (seven years ago) link
isn't she a Common Core booster? if so, lol
― frogbs, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:52 (seven years ago) link
They want complete isolation of their children, schools, communities, and government from everyone who's even slightly different from them. I wish I were exaggerating. Small town evangelicals are pretty weird but their very weirdness sometimes makes them kind of charming/human, if flawed. Betsy DeVos and all her scheming cronies are simply the richest ppl with the most power to make Calvinist Christianity the norm and turn the course of public policy to fund it.
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:53 (seven years ago) link
She's Erik Prince's sister
― badg, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:00 (seven years ago) link
Yes, and then she married into one of Michigan's two Families Of The Apocalypse so that's double the "Does Grand Rapids really need to exist?"
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:02 (seven years ago) link
t's intended to make the state pay for families who send their children to private Christian schools btw. That's the whole point of the entire decades-long scheme.
^this
― cucky ramen-o (will), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:04 (seven years ago) link
http://www.avclub.com/article/david-cross-donating-100-percent-album-sales-aclu--246392
this is really cool.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:06 (seven years ago) link
And...again Bernie addressing class politics by using a strawman identity politics position to pivot to white voters. i don't think anyone disagrees with this point of view, one which does not actually address the nature of the identity politics / class "divide" in democratic politics. But it is a cynical way of trivializing serious concerns:
https://twitter.com/KyleClauss/status/800724251192004608
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:06 (seven years ago) link
imo this is what the left should be focusing on. channeling this turmoil and energy into resources and tools. we will need it with all the de-funding that is sure to happen. not the petty infighting that lost them the election.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:10 (seven years ago) link
its sad to me that the left channels their political frustration by donating to causes they support and the right just buys a fuckton of guns
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:11 (seven years ago) link
Bernie seems to be saying there, it doesn't matter if you are a black, white, purple ceo shipping jobs overseas, you are not helping. maybe you read it differently. i'm sure people are freaking out about the way he speaks rather than the content of what he is talking about. that's sort of a running them this year.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:14 (seven years ago) link
Similar to how it was the IRS declassifying white segregationist schools in the 70s that reallly flared up the right wing/moral majority types, as guys like Paul Weyrich who were there have attested to
― (rocketcat) (kingfish), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link
Xp
Yeah, but how do you think the fuckheads who got us into this mess like the Koch Foundation or the Heritage Foundation et al got started?
― (rocketcat) (kingfish), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:22 (seven years ago) link
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― iatee, Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:53 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark
the rock for president 2020
― 龜, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:23 (seven years ago) link
Just like we're repeating much of the trauma of the '04 election, we're having to relearn the lessons of it, too. There were a few attempts to get progressive organizations up & running back then, but this sorta fizzled out maybe, and Obama showed up so brightly that he overshown? overshadowed? the drive and the need for this.
― (rocketcat) (kingfish), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:26 (seven years ago) link
unfortunately he polls weak w/ the key jabroni demographic
xp
― iatee, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:26 (seven years ago) link
Springsteen or Oprah. both of them on the same ticket.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:29 (seven years ago) link
Pretty sure the Rock is an actual Republican.
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:31 (seven years ago) link
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first off, i dont think 'petty infighting' lost the election
You are also aware that the ilx meme about "black, white, purple" is ... critical of that line of inquiry/thought?
I didn't read it differently, I said that it's right & everyone agrees with it, but that he's using it to set himself up as the guy who sees "past" identity politics which is just encouraging more infighting because he's essentially reduced an entire wing of the party to asking for representation in an effort to convince white ppl he's still going to fight for them. it's really bad politics!
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:34 (seven years ago) link
lol @ the accusation of tone policing though
this kind of stuff, btw, is why lots of people skeptical of bernie were skeptical: he's more right on ideologically than any other candidate, but also seems surprisingly tone deaf & dumb sometimes
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:35 (seven years ago) link
One of the things I keep coming back to is that the inchoate groupings of American progressive/lefty/liberal-types haven't really grasped on to the need for having this kind of mass organization as a country or a culture.
I attribute some of it reservations about actually persuading people, or that you should have to even persuade people at all. You should just point out the facts, right? Other dude is hella racist or dumb or whatever and that's all you need to do. It's like the cultural baggage of the 60s's pose to reject everything stamped "corporate" led to not even addressing how or why this shit works when it works.
Like, since PR, advertising, and marketing firms are the most tangibly immediate displays of persuasive communication, every sort of attempt at this is coated and too icky to even approach, so a clueless cynicism takes it place. Why should we even have or need a communications manager?
It's like not being able to distinguish aggression from assertiveness, so one can only contract into the meekest ball possible and hope to not get noticed. All persuasion must be manipulation, then, and manipulation is something only evil people do, and we're not evil so that's that.
― (rocketcat) (kingfish), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:40 (seven years ago) link