i mean havent we been reading obituaries for the republican party for the past 8 years due to demographic shifts
― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:20 (seven years ago) link
gerrymandering
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:20 (seven years ago) link
the obituaries were for the office of president
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:21 (seven years ago) link
Anyone who’s had doubts over Donald Trump’s claims that he’s fighting to better the lives of ordinary Americans can put their suspicions to rest, because the president-elect just put his money where his mouth is. Over the weekend, Trump generously paid out $25 million of his own money to help out thousands of people who’d been defrauded of their life savings through a vicious bait-and-switch scheme.
http://www.clickhole.com/article/faith-humanity-restored-after-these-students-were--5180
― frogbs, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link
democratic party is not good at their jobs (getting elected)
― Mordy, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link
@JamesSurowieckiLook at Wisconsin. Dems got 168,000 more votes in State Assembly races in '12, but GOP won 60 of 99 seats.Natural to say: both parties do it. But it's just objectively false. GOP has been far more ruthless about gerrymandering to cement its power
Natural to say: both parties do it. But it's just objectively false. GOP has been far more ruthless about gerrymandering to cement its power
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:25 (seven years ago) link
meanwhile, nate silver finds voting correlated much more with education level than income http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/
― 龜, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:26 (seven years ago) link
i'd like to think that the left will spend the next 2 to 4 years focusing on election reform (appointing a non-partisan group to assign districts, or JUST USING A GODDAMN COMPUTER TO DO IT, FUCK!, getting rid of electoral collage, campaign finance reform, etc), but i have the feeling we'll just be reacting to whatever disasters trump dumps on us, inbetween making fucking stupid jokes about his hands
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:30 (seven years ago) link
sorry, i'm hungry. i'm stepping away
gerrymandering is definitely a huge part of how we got here, but it's also worth noting that the GOP strategically focused on state legislatures in a way that I don't believe the Democratic party did. The only way to push back (aside from hoping to god that that recent Wisconsin court decision overturning gerrymandered districts gets upheld and becomes precedent) is to strengthen local and state-level parties. And to not get blindsided again, which I understand they did in 2010. I really think the party should have a lot of people wargaming all the worst things the GOP could possibly do and how to counter, because I'm pretty sure the GOP will do anything it can get away with.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:31 (seven years ago) link
Like if the Democrats had just woken up and realized, back in the years leading up to 2010, that a census year presented a great opportunity for the GOP to strike at the state level, they might have shored up key seats in state legislatures that were vulnerable. The party has been way too focused on a top-down approach, thinking the presidency will deliver everything else.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:32 (seven years ago) link
Also I kind of think that's the right way to do politics anyway, at the ground level. No amount of focus grouping and think tanking is going to be a complete substitute for strong local parties with a feel for their communities.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:33 (seven years ago) link
Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull was able to get in touch with Trump by cold-calling his personal cell phone through a number provided by champion Australian golfer Greg Norman.
dark lols
― 龜, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link
Democrats just need to take a page from Trump's book and start running as republicans. The tribalism is so facile and entrenched that they'll get scores of votes based on nothing but that '-R' next to their name.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:43 (seven years ago) link
^^^
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:44 (seven years ago) link
I mean, it's a deeply cynical move, but when in Rome you might as well learn how to fiddle.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:49 (seven years ago) link
I think that's a cheat code you can only use if you're rich/famous (bloomberg, schwarzenegger etc.) - since you get free entry to the club and don't have to work your way up via local party politics
― iatee, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:52 (seven years ago) link
but like we could totally have bruce springsteen 'decade to become a republican' and run for president, that would 100% work
― iatee, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:53 (seven years ago) link
Someone in Ohio did that recently -- she was as member of the Cuyahoga County Republican Committee and ran for the Ohio House as a Republican. She lost to the incumbent Democrat, then resigned and revealed that she herself is actually a Democrat. Not that incumbents generally have any trouble getting re-elected, but see if you can locate a reason why Republicans may not have been running to vote for her in droves:
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2016/11/cuyahoga_county_gop_central_co.html
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:54 (seven years ago) link
i really kinda think the lesson of the election is that real celebrity trumps political celebrity and basically any famous enough* actor could beat pretty much any politician. *thus why fred thompson doesn't qualify for this rule
― Mordy, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:55 (seven years ago) link
https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/videos/10155136713370725/
I think I figured out who Donald Trump reminds me of, it's Tommy Wiseau
― frogbs, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link
that and being dead xp
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link
yeah the 'maybe these idiots just voted for him because he's famous' narrative should get at least as much play as the 'he truly connected with a wounded wwc' narrative currently does
― iatee, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:06 (seven years ago) link
'these idiots want to be entertained while the ship goes down'
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:27 (seven years ago) link
betsy devos for secretary of education
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:29 (seven years ago) link
That is fucking GROSS
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:29 (seven years ago) link
rip public schools
― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:30 (seven years ago) link
god FUCK these people
my office manager's kid goes to a charter school - it went bust literally two weeks into the school year and the kid had to find a new high school in september. ridic.
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:33 (seven years ago) link
creationist, married to amway heir, brother of blackwater founder
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:34 (seven years ago) link
brother is, rather
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link
ugh gross
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link
On behalf of all of Michigan I apologize for the entire DeVos family and their hideous partners in evil the VanAndels, Calvinism, Amway, the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, ALEC, Eric Prince, and all the hellspawn that we have vomited out over the years thanks to our Dutch Calvinist forebears and the religious right.
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link
lol xposted to mookie but yeah he hit the high points.
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:36 (seven years ago) link
And by high points I mean just give us to Canada.
this is useful:
http://www.chalkbeat.org/posts/us/2016/11/22/what-a-betsy-devos-appointment-would-tell-us-about-donald-trumps-education-plans/
Sounds like not even a charter advocate so much as an out-and-out voucher and full privatization advocate. There are of course nowhere near the number of necessary private schools anywhere to accommodate the demand that would be created by a massive voucher program, so you're going to wind up with a lot of shitty fly-by-night operations popping up.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:39 (seven years ago) link
vomit, just a steady stream of vomit every day
and here I was worried last week that Michelle Rhee might get the nod
spin the garbage wheel wheeee
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:41 (seven years ago) link
Bernie should really get his staff in check. Look at this terrible messaging:https://twitter.com/sensanders/status/801253188821250048
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:44 (seven years ago) link
"but"
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:47 (seven years ago) link
you're going to wind up with a lot of shitty fly-by-night operations popping up...
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, November 23, 2016
hmm who can we think of knows a lil sum'm about that business...
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:48 (seven years ago) link
So basically they'll do this with income tax credits, right? Like a huge income tax credit for private schooling. If they make it large enough to actually cover private school tuition in most places, it will gut public schools. If they don't, it's just a big giveaway to people already wealthy enough for private school. Either way, disgusting.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:50 (seven years ago) link
Well, that just quadruples my determination to get involved in tutoring and after school programs and who even knows what the fuck all educational initiatives. If Captain Evil and his band of merry dipshits are dead set upon dismantling this country, it feels like everybody needs to do what they can to fortify their communities and shore up the deprivation.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:50 (seven years ago) link
It's intended to make the state pay for families who send their children to private Christian schools btw. That's the whole point of the entire decades-long scheme.
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:51 (seven years ago) link
isn't she a Common Core booster? if so, lol
― frogbs, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:52 (seven years ago) link
They want complete isolation of their children, schools, communities, and government from everyone who's even slightly different from them. I wish I were exaggerating. Small town evangelicals are pretty weird but their very weirdness sometimes makes them kind of charming/human, if flawed. Betsy DeVos and all her scheming cronies are simply the richest ppl with the most power to make Calvinist Christianity the norm and turn the course of public policy to fund it.
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:53 (seven years ago) link
She's Erik Prince's sister
― badg, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:00 (seven years ago) link
Yes, and then she married into one of Michigan's two Families Of The Apocalypse so that's double the "Does Grand Rapids really need to exist?"
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:02 (seven years ago) link
t's intended to make the state pay for families who send their children to private Christian schools btw. That's the whole point of the entire decades-long scheme.
^this
― cucky ramen-o (will), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:04 (seven years ago) link
http://www.avclub.com/article/david-cross-donating-100-percent-album-sales-aclu--246392
this is really cool.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:06 (seven years ago) link