wouldnt join any gun club that would have me as a member obv
we had armed resistance to our govt from self appointed guardians of the constitution or whatever in my living memory and even were it to come to that being a prominent fact of life in ireland again id just move tbh
― identity politics rooted in tolkienism (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 15:07 (seven years ago) link
if i was super rich i would buy all the guns and then destroy them
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 15:10 (seven years ago) link
Read an article (Atlantic maybe?) about a militia a few weeks back, possibly deliberately sought out because it included at least one woman, at least one black male...regardless they tend to come across as profoundly paranoid and believing they had to be 'ready' for when their territory must be defended (this not necessarily extending to the nation as a whole). Like the Messiah they're v locked into the belief that the/an enemy will come for them. Beyond that it was just interesting to see all of that as the basis for this particular community's desire to bond and thwart their sense of isolation as if they were just a D&D club or something.
Profound paranoia is not necessarily an irrational response when a) police officers seem to be able to kill people who look like you with impunity, and b) your fellow citizens vote into power a platform based on and fueled by white supremacy.
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 15:20 (seven years ago) link
If it were possible to get a gun easily here, I'd probably buy one, but only to kill myself with. Not sure there's an option for that.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 15:22 (seven years ago) link
My takeaway from this thread: I'm still not buying a gun, but maybe I should buy some bulletproof armor
― qop (crüt), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 15:24 (seven years ago) link
paranoia is by definition irrational but I appreciate the bigger point. I don't think being more lethal makes you feel less afraid/paranoid though
― ogmor, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 15:32 (seven years ago) link
Obvs can't / wouldn't own a gun but I do have a vague and largely irrational feeling that, like riding a horse, being able to use one is the kind of life skill it may be useful to pick up just in case and I have briefly toyed with going to a lesson when I am over in Dubai. However, given that I have never bothered to learn other life skills like how to drive a car, my chances of getting around to it are minimal.
― Bubba H.O.T.A.P.E (ShariVari), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:06 (seven years ago) link
Not sure which is less appealing between using a gun, driving a car or riding a horse. I like the idea of riding a horse but they're scary.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:24 (seven years ago) link
I am definitely buying a gun
― homosexual II, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:51 (seven years ago) link
I'm pretty sure.
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:39 (seven years ago) link
I've had a gun pointed at me once (betting shop robbery) and it was fired into the ceiling, it scared the shit out of me and fuck no would I ever own one.
― calzino, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:46 (seven years ago) link
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/trump-s-victory-has-fearful-minorities-buying-guns-n686881?cid=sm_tw
― 龜, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 22:58 (seven years ago) link
― ¶ (DJP)
and, i mean, even for those of us who don't have to live with the constant fear of being murdered by the state, whether or not it's rational, paranoia is not just something that happens to other people. i know there are plenty of folks on this board who are perfectly sane and rational, and, uh... that's ok.
― xiphoid beetlebum (rushomancy), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 23:51 (seven years ago) link
My plan for 2017 was to basically liquidate much of my possessions, buy a van and then road trip around the US taking pictures while attempting to write a book. I've taken many extended multi-week/month road trips before and have only been hassled a few times for being a foreigner (in some rural parts of the country, having California plates on your car will do that), but for the first time ever I'm considering taking a gun with me.
I'm pissed off at myself for even thinking this way, but in Trumpmerica it can appear to be a logical decision. I've shot guns from .22s up to those machine guns you can rent in Las Vegas but have never owned one. Honestly, I've had enough severe depressive episodes in my past that I'm glad I've never owned one.
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 27 November 2016 22:50 (seven years ago) link
Would you pack ammunition for it?Would you keep it loaded?Would you point it at another person?Would you shoot them?Would you shoot them first?
If any of the above answers is no, I'd suggest saving your money.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 28 November 2016 04:56 (seven years ago) link
why not. i think this is an accurate depiction of what trump's america will look like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgK0uRR5jGY
― larry appleton, Monday, 28 November 2016 05:27 (seven years ago) link
x-post
I'm planning on saving my money.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 28 November 2016 05:33 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TboABkjrZIE
― k3vin k., Monday, 28 November 2016 05:43 (seven years ago) link
Yeah ET I realized right after posting "why am I telling HIM this?"anyway I figure that catechism is applicable for most folks in most situations
― El Tomboto, Monday, 28 November 2016 05:47 (seven years ago) link
http://img.poemofquotes.com/pulp-fiction-1.png
― marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 28 November 2016 15:13 (seven years ago) link
last Thanksgiving my cousin told me I was welcome to stay at his dad's house if shit ever hits the fan with ISIS. my ex-uncle (who I haven't seen since he divorced my aunt a decade ago) lives alone in rural VT and apparently has a stash of over 100 guns in his basement. I'm not sure if the invitation extends to Trumpocalypse scenarios, and the idea of waiting out a political crisis in the company of paranoid far-right gun nut relatives doesn't make me feel particularly safe. fwiw I'm not considering buying a gun for my own use.
― memories of a cruller (unregistered), Friday, 2 December 2016 20:58 (seven years ago) link
this concept of ex- uncles and aunts interests me
― tried Blue Apron and we died (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 2 December 2016 21:13 (seven years ago) link
I also have an ex-aunt. Lived in Pasadena, loved having guests, gave us crash space when we saw the Rose Bowl in 1998. Nice lady.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 2 December 2016 21:43 (seven years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 00:01 (seven years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 00:01 (seven years ago) link
Are you considering selling your NYC apartment, buying a cabin on 100 acres in Upper Michigan, burying several underground gas tanks, food bucket caverns, filling them, getting your share of guns and ammo, and waiting for Michael Flynn and Trump to play China brinksmanship?
― Bnad, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 00:56 (seven years ago) link
no, but i'm considering buying a gun again
― the late great, Sunday, 29 January 2017 05:04 (seven years ago) link
actually that's not true. i was thinking of taking shooting lessons, not buying a gun.
― the late great, Sunday, 29 January 2017 05:06 (seven years ago) link
fucking hell
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Sunday, 29 January 2017 05:07 (seven years ago) link
because a gun is a dangerous thing to have around the house if you don't know how to use it!
i am also considering buying a donald trump stress ball
― the late great, Sunday, 29 January 2017 05:08 (seven years ago) link
hey it might be a good way to relieve some stress
and it's my constitutional right as a nationalized citizen (*for the time being)
― the late great, Sunday, 29 January 2017 05:09 (seven years ago) link
haha whoops i meant naturalized
buying guns is good everyone who can should do so
― adam, Monday, 30 January 2017 00:19 (seven years ago) link
All buying a gun would accomplish is dramatically increase my risk of dying of a gunshot wound in my own home
― slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Monday, 30 January 2017 00:27 (seven years ago) link
So far in my life I've blithely assumed people don't have guns at home but I may start asking.
― slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Monday, 30 January 2017 00:28 (seven years ago) link
You should totally take "shooting lessons" i.e. gun safety training. it can be profoundly edifying. and then, don't fucking buy a gun.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 30 January 2017 01:11 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duW5WhxKjQY
― salthigh, Monday, 30 January 2017 01:45 (seven years ago) link
Don't have a gun, don't need a gun, don't want a gun.
If you're at a Christmas party and a man and wife show up with assault rifles, your handgun isn't going to do much good. If you're a first-grade teacher and some deranged maniac comes into your classroom with an AR-15, the gun in your purse isn't going to do much good. If you regain consciousness on your couch after two men have invaded your home and tied up your daughters and wife, your gun isn't going to do much good.
I can't think of any recent event -- I'm sure someone out there could provide a link -- where someone had a gun at the right exact moment to protect themselves and their family. I could probably counter with plenty of links of toddlers, ex-husbands and despondent teenagers harming their families with guns.
If you need a rifle to go hunt Bambi in the woods, knock yourself out. But there's really no reason for most people to own anything nastier than a 30-06.
― pplains, Monday, 30 January 2017 01:49 (seven years ago) link
is there anyone on ilx who lives in "the third world"?
― harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, November 22, 2016 2:17 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
*deleted a bad "Poster X lives in [US state name redacted]" joke*
― ¶ (DJP), Tuesday, November 22, 2016 2:19 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's ok, man. I can take it.
― pplains, Monday, 30 January 2017 01:50 (seven years ago) link
yeah, that's the fuckin' thing, the whole "protect yourself" mantra is predicated on the idea that you have ample time to prepare for and anticipate the attack. the odds don't favor you if you're the defendant because you're reacting to a threat you have minimal time to assess and facing duress that the attacker does not have to deal with.
Like unless you're gonna do one of those 80s action film flips to dive out of the way of bullets, somehow get into your drawer to get your gun, and fire like John McClain, unless you're lucky in a home invasion, if they wanna shoot...you're swiss cheese.
― Neanderthal, Monday, 30 January 2017 04:44 (seven years ago) link
with that said, knowing how many looney tunes people in FL have these things, the thought has crossed my mind. but I don't know how to shoot them, so would need to invest in training, and my anxiety and fear is a bit out of wack at the moment so I wouldn't trust myself not to be jumpy with the thing. so....fuck a gun, really.
just gonna find a really big assed stick.
― Neanderthal, Monday, 30 January 2017 04:45 (seven years ago) link
I highly recommend the Stanley FatMax fubar series
― El Tomboto, Monday, 30 January 2017 04:54 (seven years ago) link
what if it's not a home invasion robbery i'm thinking of preparing for?
― the late great, Monday, 30 January 2017 21:24 (seven years ago) link
i seem to recall lots of tea party folk feeling the same way!
― k3vin k., Monday, 30 January 2017 21:27 (seven years ago) link
exactly!
― the late great, Monday, 30 January 2017 21:28 (seven years ago) link
i used to have faith in my government's ability to protect me from them
now i'm not as confident
― the late great, Monday, 30 January 2017 21:29 (seven years ago) link
like i kinda 'get' the motivation for libs to arm themselves, but all it'd do at this point is put money in the hands of gun manufacturers > NRA > GOP
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 30 January 2017 21:32 (seven years ago) link
that's an excellent point that i had never considered
― the late great, Monday, 30 January 2017 21:34 (seven years ago) link
buy second hand?
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 30 January 2017 21:35 (seven years ago) link