I imagine this election has encouraged a lot of great people to enter local politics with no intention of ever moving beyond that point.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Monday, 21 November 2016 18:17 (seven years ago) link
What was Dubya's lowest approval number? If Bob Altemeyer is right, Nixon's never sunk below 19%, even the day he flew away from the Rose Garden.
In other words, any possible outcome will never drop him before that floor of 1/5th min support.
― (rocketcat) 🚀🐱 👑🐟 (kingfish), Monday, 21 November 2016 18:19 (seven years ago) link
Below, not before
Didn't know those things about Tulsi Gabbard. Sad.
― Treeship, Monday, 21 November 2016 18:20 (seven years ago) link
I heard anti-Gabbard rumblings among Bernie supporters during the primary.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 21 November 2016 18:34 (seven years ago) link
whoa it just hit me, Donald Trump will be the President
― rip van wanko, Monday, 21 November 2016 18:41 (seven years ago) link
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Monday, November 21, 2016 1:17 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm... i was really enthusiastic about our green party candidate for Mayor, and he got an impressive amount of the vote (22,000 to the winner's 128,000).
― flappy bird, Monday, 21 November 2016 18:42 (seven years ago) link
i imagine this election has discouraged a lot of great people from ever entering politics, let alone running for president― flappy bird, Monday, November 21, 2016 6:14 PM (thirty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― flappy bird, Monday, November 21, 2016 6:14 PM (thirty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
while also encouraging world record holding narcissists to run like kanye
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 21 November 2016 18:47 (seven years ago) link
Donald, Imma let you finish, but Grover Cleveland was the best president of all time. OF ALL TIME!
― marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 21 November 2016 18:52 (seven years ago) link
I actually think this election will lead to a huge number of people considering running for office as democrats with an eye to moving beyond local. I predict a candidate "baby boom" of sorts.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 21 November 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/307063-fec-hits-trump-on-1100-campaign-errors-worth-13m
― 龜, Monday, 21 November 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/B34TOIa.png
the last time white women voted for a democrat was 1996
― 龜, Monday, 21 November 2016 19:09 (seven years ago) link
that bad boy charm
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 November 2016 19:11 (seven years ago) link
yeah uh what's up with that?
― flappy bird, Monday, 21 November 2016 19:11 (seven years ago) link
seriously- why???
Graph strongly suggests it helps if you kill a Democratic president.
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Monday, 21 November 2016 19:11 (seven years ago) link
some analysis here http://fusion.net/story/370440/white-women-racism-donald-trump/
― 龜, Monday, 21 November 2016 19:13 (seven years ago) link
xp - for the same reasons white men generally vote Republican?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 21 November 2016 19:17 (seven years ago) link
I asked the question on the pre-election thread. I haven't read anything convincing.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 November 2016 19:18 (seven years ago) link
Rs are the Daddy party.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 21 November 2016 19:21 (seven years ago) link
I don't know why anyone is surprised anymore when white people do stupid and unexplainable things.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Monday, 21 November 2016 19:21 (seven years ago) link
It's kind of our thing.
restrict my rights, daddy
― ¶ (DJP), Monday, 21 November 2016 19:21 (seven years ago) link
I don't see it as particularly unexplainable? Stupid, sure, but logical. White women are subject to the same cultural forces that push white men toward the GOP - religious fundamentalism, rural cultural isolation, various fears of other people.
I don't know the polling on it but even on 'women's issues' it's not like there's a shortage of anti-choice women or women eager to blame or ignore victims of sexual assault.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 21 November 2016 19:24 (seven years ago) link
at least thru '60s most women felt obligated to follow their husbands' lead; not an apparent big change perhaps, aside from less universal coupling
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 November 2016 19:26 (seven years ago) link
When Patricia Arquette caused the mini-uproar at the Oscars (gay men and people of color need to start supporting women, etc.), a friend just refused to believe there was any reason that was controversial. As a progressive white woman who associated with other progressive women socially and politically, she had zero idea of the levels of opposition to marriage equality and anti-racism among women/white women.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 21 November 2016 19:31 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/3W0SuSJ.jpg
― 龜, Monday, 21 November 2016 19:35 (seven years ago) link
there's been a lot of finger-pointing by men of all races at "white women" over the past couple of months and i always find it a bit uncomfortable, even if i get what they're saying
― k3vin k., Monday, 21 November 2016 19:39 (seven years ago) link
well, yeah
― sarahell, Monday, 21 November 2016 19:41 (seven years ago) link
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/4255c2daf3ec43aaac959b43864b3e98/an-aryan-type-mother-with-her-two-children-in-a-poster-which-urges-g39jhf.jpg
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 21 November 2016 19:42 (seven years ago) link
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Monday, November 21, 2016 11:21 AM (nineteen minutes ago)
see also: that thing white ppl do when they disparage white ppl
― sarahell, Monday, 21 November 2016 19:42 (seven years ago) link
sympathy level for white people feeling uncomfortable that people are pointing out that the majority of them who participated in this election voted for white supremacy is currently hovering at zero
― ¶ (DJP), Monday, 21 November 2016 19:51 (seven years ago) link
yeah that's not what i was saying. men singling women out implicitly because they should have "known better" or whatever is kind of nagl imo
― k3vin k., Monday, 21 November 2016 19:55 (seven years ago) link
i feel like it's another way for white people who are used to being the center of attention to remain the center of attention.
― sarahell, Monday, 21 November 2016 19:56 (seven years ago) link
Press ReleasesGabbard Statement on Meeting with President-Elect Donald TrumpNovember 21, 2016New York, NY—U.S. Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard (HI-02) today released the following statement on her meeting with President-elect Donald Trump regarding Syria: "President-elect Trump asked me to meet with him about our current policies regarding Syria, our fight against terrorist groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS, as well as other foreign policy challenges we face. I felt it important to take the opportunity to meet with the President-elect now before the drumbeats of war that neocons have been beating drag us into an escalation of the war to overthrow the Syrian government—a war which has already cost hundreds of thousands of lives and forced millions of refugees to flee their homes in search of safety for themselves and their families. “While the rules of political expediency would say I should have refused to meet with President-elect Trump, I never have and never will play politics with American and Syrian lives. “Serving the people of Hawaiʻi and our nation is an honor and responsibility that I do not take lightly. Representing the aloha spirit and diversity of the people of Hawaiʻi, I will continue to seek common ground to deliver results that best serve all Americans, as I have tried to do during my time in Congress. “Where I disagree with President-elect Trump on issues, I will not hesitate to express that disagreement. However, I believe we can disagree, even strongly, but still come together on issues that matter to the American people and affect their daily lives. We cannot allow continued divisiveness to destroy our country. “President-elect Trump and I had a frank and positive conversation in which we discussed a variety of foreign policy issues in depth. I shared with him my grave concerns that escalating the war in Syria by implementing a so-called no fly/safe zone would be disastrous for the Syrian people, our country, and the world. It would lead to more death and suffering, exacerbate the refugee crisis, strengthen ISIS and al-Qaeda, and bring us into a direct conflict with Russia which could result in a nuclear war. We discussed my bill to end our country’s illegal war to overthrow the Syrian government, and the need to focus our precious resources on rebuilding our own country, and on defeating al-Qaeda, ISIS, and other terrorist groups who pose a threat to the American people. “For years, the issue of ending interventionist, regime change warfare has been one of my top priorities. This was the major reason I ran for Congress—I saw firsthand the cost of war, and the lives lost due to the interventionist warmongering policies our country has pursued for far too long. “Let me be clear, I will never allow partisanship to undermine our national security when the lives of countless people lay in the balance."
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 21 November 2016 19:56 (seven years ago) link
i mean yeah white people deserve most of the blame for the outcome of this election obviously. deciding to focus on white women kind of makes me believe the speaker has certain ideas or assumptions about how women should be voting based on their gender xp
― k3vin k., Monday, 21 November 2016 19:58 (seven years ago) link
Gross
― Treeship, Monday, 21 November 2016 19:59 (seven years ago) link
Not what kev said. What tulsi gabbard said.
I haven't really seen focusing blame on white women so much as surprise that the potential first woman President didn't move the needle more than it did. 'Blame' as such should be reserved for rural voters (predominately white as a class, obv) and the hypocrisy and insanity of evangelical/fundie Christians.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 21 November 2016 20:02 (seven years ago) link
would think a candidate who routinely rates woman on a scale of 10 would've moved the needle some too
― frogbs, Monday, 21 November 2016 20:05 (seven years ago) link
yeah i was just curious- i don't get it
― flappy bird, Monday, 21 November 2016 20:05 (seven years ago) link
You can't guess someone's beliefs and values based on their gender. It doesn't break down that cleanly.
― Treeship, Monday, 21 November 2016 20:10 (seven years ago) link
it's just that when DT said gross things about women and Latinos the 'cw' [sic] was "obviously he's going to get historically low % of women and Latino vote." Let's not say these things again.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 November 2016 20:12 (seven years ago) link
fantasizing about alternate reality where Dems hammer GOPers for unwilling to utter the phrase "radical white terrorists"
― Οὖτις, Monday, 21 November 2016 20:13 (seven years ago) link
eh, gabbard is like an old school democrat; she was opposed to same sex marriage for a long time too, and her dad is a republican. but she has some evolving views and there are thingsa bout her that are good. I have little doubt that she and trump actually agree on anything re: syria though, because Trump doesn't have any actual real thoughts on Syria.
― akm, Monday, 21 November 2016 20:13 (seven years ago) link
and over 30% of hispanic men voted for Trump even though he accused Mexican immigrants of being rapists. Identity politics are sometimes complicated!
― sarahell, Monday, 21 November 2016 20:15 (seven years ago) link
and how racist it is to group people of Cuban, Mexico, Central American, etc. descent into a monolithic demographic and make expectations of that group.
Trump's numbers are much worse when you eliminate Cubans - so while there are major differences in attitudes among other groups, they're much closer to expectations.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 21 November 2016 20:21 (seven years ago) link
― frogbs, Monday, November 21, 2016 3:05 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think the more vulgar aspects of trump's misogyny (grab em by the pussy etc) while obv offensive to a whole lot of people just don't really faze many others. we previously had some standards about what is acceptable for a presidential candidate to say but ultimately americans are kind of a vulgar people. we watch a TON of porn, view counts in the billions, this shit is like the most popular content on the web among both men and women right? trump's "locker room talk" i think probably sounded pretty tame to a lot of people
― marcos, Monday, 21 November 2016 20:25 (seven years ago) link
i think that's right and the "when you're famous they let you" sounded close enough to establishing consent that ppl who wanted an excuse to dismiss it as more msm hysteria had one
― Mordy, Monday, 21 November 2016 20:27 (seven years ago) link
yeah I have seen that explanation from facebook commenters and such. There's also still a pretty ingrained idea of "oh well powerful men are always going to be like that."
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 21 November 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link