Has the Bannon Hollywood Reporter article been discussed?
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/steve-bannon-trump-tower-interview-trumps-strategist-plots-new-political-movement-948747
― timellison, Saturday, 19 November 2016 17:03 (seven years ago) link
right. healthcare.
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Saturday, 19 November 2016 17:24 (seven years ago) link
IUD bookings up 900% from October:
http://www.vocativ.com/376404/iuds-reproductive-rights-trump-pence/
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 19 November 2016 17:31 (seven years ago) link
The juxtaposition with the collapse in gun sales is ...not funny
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 19 November 2016 17:32 (seven years ago) link
are the next 4 years going to be filled with Cointelpro like attempts to undermine protest?
yes
― j., Saturday, 19 November 2016 17:52 (seven years ago) link
Maybe trump can get sharpton to help out
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 19 November 2016 18:11 (seven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/bostonsboy87/status/800024575551696896
― j., Saturday, 19 November 2016 18:24 (seven years ago) link
Wow. Maybe he should have told the guy earlier not to wear the t-shirts and talk about politics.
Bannon in that Hollywood Reporter insane article, which was discussed upthread, never did address how he rationalizes Trump's tax plans as being populist. He doesn't mention them at all.
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 19 November 2016 18:36 (seven years ago) link
haha oh man beautiful.
http://wkrg.com/2016/11/18/make-america-great-again-billboard-features-bloody-sunday-in-mississippi/
― cucky ramen-o (will), Saturday, 19 November 2016 18:52 (seven years ago) link
^these dudes are getting a nice fat fucking check from me this year.
― cucky ramen-o (will), Saturday, 19 November 2016 18:57 (seven years ago) link
white people in mississippi are still gonna think it's an official Trump ad though. probably brings a smile to their face as they drive by.
― scott seward, Saturday, 19 November 2016 19:30 (seven years ago) link
Drank way too much last night & ended up of course in a huge circular discussion abou US politics. My guests - bless em - had to endure me basically interrogating them about their perceptions. 2 white guys fwiw (British & Canadian, I'm a Canadian white guy myself). It fascinated me that they in principle supported Trump over Clinton precisely because he was 100% untrustworthy "so at least you know where you stand - with her you don't know if you can trust her or not!" In terms of results orientation this makes absolutely no sense - you'd rather know you're throwing your bet away with no chance of winning than to take a gamble on a perceived random outcome with some chance of success? - but in their mindset, the honest liar is preferable to the potentially dishonest person who claims to be telling the truth. Bizarre. Parsing it further, they acknowledged that with Clinton you'd get "more of the same" whereas with Trump, outcomes were unclear... and this was also a selling point! They preferred perfect certainty of a known crook with an unpredictable outcome over someone who was unpredictably crooked but who would produce a predictable outcome. This topsy-turvy-world thinking is what got him elected. Heaven help us all.
― hardcore dilettante, Saturday, 19 November 2016 19:40 (seven years ago) link
Pricks.
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 19 November 2016 19:45 (seven years ago) link
So this basically
http://www.marxisthumanistinitiative.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Trump-wolf-and-sheep.jpg
― frogbs, Saturday, 19 November 2016 19:55 (seven years ago) link
^OTMFM
― hardcore dilettante, Saturday, 19 November 2016 20:01 (seven years ago) link
"Sheeple" is what I call people like that, it's actually a word I made up
― sleepingbag, Saturday, 19 November 2016 20:08 (seven years ago) link
It's the egotism of it I think - ha, smart guy me, I know what's going on, I'm not gonna be fooled by how one of them is a politician and the other one is a racist politician that rapes people
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 19 November 2016 20:14 (seven years ago) link
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 7h7 hours agoI settled the Trump University lawsuit for a small fraction of the potential award because as President I have to focus on our country.
This is an interesting attempt at saving face, insisting that he actually got off easy compared to what he might have had to pay. It's like he's more worried about being perceived as a loser over having settled a lawsuit than he is about being perceived as a fraudster and swindler.
― jmm, Saturday, 19 November 2016 20:18 (seven years ago) link
The Hamilton "Apologize!" tweet horrified me at first, then I realized it was a cunning political move to bury the Trump University settlement, which was already dumped on a Friday afternoon. The tweet itself is perfectly formulated for max outrage- hypocrisy of "safe spaces," harassment, elementary school level language, threatening freedom of expression.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 19 November 2016 20:25 (seven years ago) link
I really don't think anything Trump does is 'cunning'. Even now, nothing he has done seems particularly smart. The great masterstroke of the campaign was to confiscate his iPhone for the last two weeks...
― Frederik B, Saturday, 19 November 2016 20:28 (seven years ago) link
The man who publically and repeatedly abused and disrespected a Gold Star family just a couple of months ago is shocked that his VP-elect was not given the full measure of respect he thought he deserved. Yup.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 19 November 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link
His hypocrisy is perfectly consistent - when he does something, its ok. When someone else does something, its wrong. Principles dont come into it.
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 19 November 2016 20:36 (seven years ago) link
He literally can't think about anything besides himself. It's almost impressive.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 19 November 2016 20:37 (seven years ago) link
JUst wondering how widely what is seen to be acceptable when he gets away with it feeds into the next attempted outrage and if it is going to continually mark out wider territory. & if it's gotten away with now to the extent it is, if taht will show in time to come that you can get away with this much, so why not try to get away with more.Scary shit.& the whole idea of a 'norm' as something that is fixed not an archetype that things are based around in a shifting field.So the idea that something thought of as normal is in any way concrete is false.Beacons become normative and you don't want Trump a person apparently without morals to be seen as a normative beacon.
But wonder how much elasticity there si in how far things can be stretched and what happens when the limits of that elasticity are transcended.
I'm also just thinking that a lot of marginalised people are just arriving at a point of apparent liberty that has taken them ages to get to and that there is going to be a concerted effort to roll back the rights that have been so hard fought for. Also just wondering if that is possible. & hoping that the limits of power are reached before anything can be lastingly undone.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 19 November 2016 20:40 (seven years ago) link
I honestly barely consider him a human being, like he just seems like a zombie incapable of shame or self-reflection. because of that, I find it hard to feel anger towards him on a personal level. how mad can you be at someone w/ a genuine mental disorder?
but the people around him - his extended family, the leftover garbage politicians who are going to make up his admin, even mike pence - these people are still humans and I feel like they all know deep down that they're participating in something deeply wrong.
― iatee, Saturday, 19 November 2016 21:02 (seven years ago) link
would need gbx to back me up on this but he seems textbook NPD to me
― k3vin k., Saturday, 19 November 2016 21:02 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, his family all made the decision a long time ago to put up with him and stand by him for the money. At least one of his kids didn't even talk to him when he was bankrupt, right? Pence saw a way to get out of his failing governorship in Indiana, where he is reviled. They all know exactly what they're doing.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 19 November 2016 21:13 (seven years ago) link
I mean if trump isn't textbook narcissistic personality disorder then...who would be?
and now someone who already doesn't have a soul because he's been sucked into a narcissistic black hole is *literally the most important human being in the world*. things can only get worse!
― iatee, Saturday, 19 November 2016 21:17 (seven years ago) link
Oh, smart place to spend time and money organizing: For the governor post in Indinana. Or is it out of reach?
― Frederik B, Saturday, 19 November 2016 21:21 (seven years ago) link
Dems should compete everywhere imo
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 19 November 2016 21:25 (seven years ago) link
should? sure. but all the dems have right now in red states is motivation.
within two years I think the dems might have the ability to win races in places we could never dream of. trump admin is gonna be a disaster on a level not comparable to anything in recent history.
― iatee, Saturday, 19 November 2016 21:33 (seven years ago) link
Seems likely yes
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 19 November 2016 21:34 (seven years ago) link
progressives thought GW bush was a dumbo who would quickly fail, but it wasn't until he'd served a full eight years of disasters that he was finally repudiated by the broader public.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 19 November 2016 21:36 (seven years ago) link
GW had a team of ppl way more experienced w the levers of federal power supporting him. Trump does not.
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 19 November 2016 21:40 (seven years ago) link
Painse to say this but Dubya also marginally more humane
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 19 November 2016 21:41 (seven years ago) link
Pains me
damning with faint praise but George W. Bush has a likability and moral authority and thoughtfulness that Trump lacks, which is how he got a full eight years.
― nomar, Saturday, 19 November 2016 21:41 (seven years ago) link
Trump beyond mere dumbo, way way beyond
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Saturday, 19 November 2016 21:42 (seven years ago) link
it's easy to look back and compare but look at how Bush dealt w/american muslims in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, at least publicly, and compare his speech at the memorial service for the Dallas PD officers a few months ago, vs anything Trump would say in any situation.
― nomar, Saturday, 19 November 2016 21:43 (seven years ago) link
If Pence is already loathed, and the Trump transition continues to be a clusterfuck, with the media no longer compelled by fake objectivity to focus half of their intention on fake Clinton controversies out for blood, perhaps it could be pushed as an indictment of the administration. The Indiana election, that is.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 19 November 2016 21:44 (seven years ago) link
W. also was not vindictive in the least
― flappy bird, Saturday, 19 November 2016 21:50 (seven years ago) link
Except when it came to guys that tried to kill his dad amirite
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 19 November 2016 21:51 (seven years ago) link
he is a totally different type of figure in all ways.
― Treeship, Saturday, 19 November 2016 22:03 (seven years ago) link
with the media no longer compelled by fake objectivity
This is cloud cuckooland stuff. The NYT and WaPo are already rolling over like the compliant little bootlickers they are, going out of their way to avoid using the word "racist" to describe Bannon and Sessions, just like they wouldn't use "torture" to describe waterboarding and fake executions. These outlets -- all mainstream media outlets -- in the long run, care only about continued access to the corridors of power and will do what's necessary to maintain it. Trump showed himself more than willing as a primary candidate, then as the nominee, to deny them that access and they will not risk losing it now that he's President.
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Saturday, 19 November 2016 22:13 (seven years ago) link
Hopefully he cuts them off then, incurs their ire.
― Treeship, Saturday, 19 November 2016 22:17 (seven years ago) link
Trump somehow more incompetent and more of a schemer than W the incompetent schemer
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 19 November 2016 22:21 (seven years ago) link
oh no are we normalizing Bush too
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 November 2016 22:21 (seven years ago) link
The 'Mission Accomplished' moment on the aircraft carrier was very Trump
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 19 November 2016 22:23 (seven years ago) link
Phil, I think you're missing my point. The media wants scandals, and with Clinton out of the picture, now they only have Trump to focus on. I agree, they're rubbish in general, and their inability to tell between what just looked cloudy and what was actually fraudulent helped Trump a lot - they should all feel bad at how much energy they spent on the Clinton Foundation when Trump had a lawsuit going he would have to settle for 20 million less than two weeks after the election - but their willingness to turn everything into a 'breaking news' scandal harms the crook with no self-control when there's nobody else to go after.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 19 November 2016 22:23 (seven years ago) link
bush was an political ideologue and a devout christian. I think was easier for a lot of people to justify his mistakes in those contexts. trump has no real beliefs on any subject that isn't 'donald trump' and sold people on some prosperity gospel shit. most of his voters don't even think he's a good human being. in 3 years when their shitty rural town continues to be filled w/ methheads and abandoned buildings I don't think they will be as forgiving as they would be to the guy who talked to god and tried his best. course, we might have president pence by then...
― iatee, Saturday, 19 November 2016 22:27 (seven years ago) link