nah he'd claim the flooding was due to water displaced by all those refugees cramming into boats
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Friday, 18 November 2016 18:22 (seven years ago) link
after visiting gitmo pompeo said of the hunger strikers that a lot of them looked like they had put on weight
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Friday, 18 November 2016 18:23 (seven years ago) link
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/donald-trump-election-hillary-clinton-election-night-inequality-republicans-trumpism/
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 18 November 2016 18:44 (seven years ago) link
with these clowns the worst crimes are going to be lack of oversight i.e., what they enable more competent ideologues (like Ryan, local law enforcement, intelligence operatives, etc.) to execute
yeah, I imagine the Trump scandals will be like Reagan's, where underlings' actions spring from the climate set by the President's rhetoric, even when he gives no specific orders.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 18 November 2016 19:00 (seven years ago) link
Steve Bannon is not a nice guy: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/stephen-bannon-facebook-group-racist-material-obama-death-threats
― Frederik B, Friday, 18 November 2016 19:01 (seven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/surlyurbanist/status/799414446959435776 (via jamelle bouie)
this seems like the sort of nuanced take on the intersection of race and class
I read the stratification economics piece. The fact that Trump wants to eliminate the estate tax is now something else that can be added to the list of racist things.
― sarahell, Friday, 18 November 2016 19:23 (seven years ago) link
iatee made a post years back about the estate tax that has stuck with me. paraphrasing: "basically the most defensible tax ever. money doesn't come out of the economy and you didn't do anything to deserve it other than being born. should be 100%."
― k3vin k., Friday, 18 November 2016 19:34 (seven years ago) link
anybody here in/near Louisiana?
http://theslot.jezebel.com/a-runoff-election-in-louisiana-could-help-democrats-in-1788959475
― Οὖτις, Friday, 18 November 2016 19:37 (seven years ago) link
Yes, in contact with Campbell's cousin via reddit. Expect to phone bank in N.O.
― Distribution of all possible outcomes (Sanpaku), Friday, 18 November 2016 19:40 (seven years ago) link
*high five*
― Οὖτις, Friday, 18 November 2016 19:41 (seven years ago) link
money doesn't come out of the economy and you didn't do anything to deserve it other than being born. should be 100%
the 100% part is either trolling and/or stupid, unless you prefer "government" to "people," but I think the estate tax is important to keep and the current rate is good. It applies to so few as it is.
― sarahell, Friday, 18 November 2016 19:46 (seven years ago) link
this fuckin guy
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/steve-bannon-trump-tower-interview-trumps-strategist-plots-new-political-movement-948747
― goole, Friday, 18 November 2016 19:46 (seven years ago) link
“The globalists gutted the American working class and created a middle class in Asia. The issue now is about Americans looking to not get f—ed over. If we deliver—” by "we" he means the Trump White House "—we’ll get 60 percent of the white vote, and 40 percent of the black and Hispanic vote and we’ll govern for 50 years.
o rly
― Οὖτις, Friday, 18 November 2016 19:51 (seven years ago) link
From THR:
He absolutely — mockingly — rejects the idea that this is a racial line. “I’m not a white nationalist, I’m a nationalist. I’m an economic nationalist,” he tells me. “The globalists gutted the American working class and created a middle class in Asia. The issue now is about Americans looking to not get f—ed over. If we deliver—” by "we" he means the Trump White House "—we’ll get 60 percent of the white vote, and 40 percent of the black and Hispanic vote and we’ll govern for 50 years. That’s what the Democrats missed, they were talking to these people with companies with a $9 billion market cap employing nine people. It’s not reality. They lost sight of what the world is about.”
“Like [Andrew] Jackson’s populism, we’re going to build an entirely new political movement,” he says. “It’s everything related to jobs. The conservatives are going to go crazy. I’m the guy pushing a trillion-dollar infrastructure plan. With negative interest rates throughout the world, it’s the greatest opportunity to rebuild everything. Ship yards, iron works, get them all jacked up. We’re just going to throw it up against the wall and see if it sticks. It will be as exciting as the 1930s, greater than the Reagan revolution — conservatives, plus populists, in an economic nationalist movement.”
― goole, Friday, 18 November 2016 19:51 (seven years ago) link
It is clear when we return to our conversation that it is not just the liberal establishment that Bannon feels he has triumphed over, but the conservative one too — not least of all Fox News and its owners, the Murdochs. “They got it more wrong than anybody,” he says. “Rupert is a globalist and never understood Trump. To him, Trump is a radical. Now they’ll go centrist and build the network around Megyn Kelly.”
― goole, Friday, 18 November 2016 19:52 (seven years ago) link
The estate tax could be used as a tool to effectively redistribute wealth, but any change to the estate tax that upset the current class structure would never be passed, because the current class structure would never allow itself to be disturbed.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 18 November 2016 19:53 (seven years ago) link
I'm all for Bannon's aggressive gov't spending on infrastructure plan, what a weird thing to try and get the GOP to do tho
― Οὖτις, Friday, 18 November 2016 19:54 (seven years ago) link
“He gets it, he gets it intuitively,” says Bannon, perhaps still surprised he has found such an ideal vessel. “You have probably the greatest orator since William Jennings Bryan, coupled with an economic populist message and two political parties that are so owned by the donors that they don’t speak to their audience. But he speaks in a non-political vernacular, he communicates with these people in a very visceral way. Nobody in the Democratic party listened to his speeches, so they had no idea he was delivering such a compelling and powerful economic message. He shows up 3.5 hours late in Michigan at 1 in the morning and has 35,000 people waiting in the cold. When they got [Clinton] off the donor circuit she went to Temple University and they drew 300 or 400 kids.”
Indeed, during the worst days of the campaign, even down to the last day when most in Trumpland thought only a miracle would save them, “I knew that she couldn’t close. They out-spent us ten to one, had ten times more people and had all the media with them, but I kept saying it doesn’t matter, they got it all wrong, we’ve got this locked.”
...
“I am,” he says, with relish, “Thomas Cromwell in the court of the Tudors.”
― goole, Friday, 18 November 2016 19:54 (seven years ago) link
I can't read it, did the THR reporter at least have the guts to ask how massive tax cuts for the .01% favor the little guy he's going to use to dominate politics forevermore?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 18 November 2016 19:55 (seven years ago) link
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, November 18, 2016 11:53 AM (fifty-seven seconds ago)
what are you even saying here?
― sarahell, Friday, 18 November 2016 19:55 (seven years ago) link
Let's be clear: "infrastructure spending" in Trumpspeak is "tax breaks for private companies investing in highways near rich suburbs, and I believe Democrats are stupid enough to fall for it.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 November 2016 19:58 (seven years ago) link
Ship yards, iron works, get them all jacked up.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 18 November 2016 19:59 (seven years ago) link
yeah good luck passing your trillion dollar infrastructure bill through dems and gop senators you fucking despise
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 18 November 2016 19:59 (seven years ago) link
what an arrogant asshole
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 18 November 2016 20:01 (seven years ago) link
"asshole" is too kind because you can do pleasurable things to assholes
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 November 2016 20:02 (seven years ago) link
bannon is clearly v v smart
― Mordy, Friday, 18 November 2016 20:02 (seven years ago) link
im sure this prick is part of the 'FUCK YOU CUCKS WE WON' attitude coming out of trump tower
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 18 November 2016 20:03 (seven years ago) link
but assholes largely do only two rather unpleasurable things to their surroundings xxp
― jingo unchained (Will M.), Friday, 18 November 2016 20:03 (seven years ago) link
cultivate assholes, Will
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 November 2016 20:04 (seven years ago) link
Does he think this (rebuild heavy industry whilst cutting taxes everywhere) is going to work or is it all a front
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 18 November 2016 20:06 (seven years ago) link
define "work" ?
― sarahell, Friday, 18 November 2016 20:06 (seven years ago) link
I mean does he sincerely believe in rebuilding these industries and creating jobs, and that this is possible even though they're obviously going to cut taxes and privatise everything they can?
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 18 November 2016 20:08 (seven years ago) link
that is def not clear
― Οὖτις, Friday, 18 November 2016 20:10 (seven years ago) link
Thomas Cromwell got his head chopped off...
― Frederik B, Friday, 18 November 2016 20:11 (seven years ago) link
xp - he definitely believes in Reagan's trickle down economics, or at least that is the theory being tested here.
― sarahell, Friday, 18 November 2016 20:12 (seven years ago) link
trying to guess his motivations is basically a coin flip of "stupid or evil" but that's same as it ever was with the GOP
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 18 November 2016 20:12 (seven years ago) link
https://68.media.tumblr.com/c2f484e6982423dc1af61f67bfaa24ae/tumblr_ogjkq5y3Sy1vxk1jpo1_1280.jpg
― 龜, Friday, 18 November 2016 20:13 (seven years ago) link
it's that kind of binary thinking that's destroying this country and this thread. We need to accept "Yes And" ... it can be stupid AND evil.
― sarahell, Friday, 18 November 2016 20:13 (seven years ago) link
omg http://www.clickhole.com/article/finding-common-ground-white-man-and-muslim-woman-b-5165
― flopson, Friday, 18 November 2016 20:13 (seven years ago) link
shhh don't spoil it for him
― Οὖτις, Friday, 18 November 2016 20:14 (seven years ago) link
I chuckled at that an hour ago, thanks for reminding me. I will chortle now.
― sarahell, Friday, 18 November 2016 20:14 (seven years ago) link
"It will be as exciting as the 1930s"
― (somber synthesizer music) (doo dah), Friday, 18 November 2016 20:17 (seven years ago) link
It will be as exciting as the 1930s
what no
NO
― j., Friday, 18 November 2016 20:17 (seven years ago) link
I'm sure he was thinking of AMERICA in the 1930s and not GERMANY
― sarahell, Friday, 18 November 2016 20:18 (seven years ago) link
well I wouldn't say the 30s were boring!
― Οὖτις, Friday, 18 November 2016 20:19 (seven years ago) link
xps
Yeah. Reading about Trump's various horrifying appointments, it seems pretty clear that they're all anti-union, anti-regulation. Without unions and regulations you can't stop the global market dictating whether a steel mill in a given town stays open or shuts down? So I'm trying to parse what this new infrastructure build (with none of these protections in place) would actually look like.
I mean, I suppose it could be that they bring back regulation but just not the good kind - no to worker's rights, yes to selectively rewarding companies if they keep a plant open somewhere so that Trump can claim credit for it?
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 18 November 2016 20:20 (seven years ago) link
they have no fucking idea what they're doing, it's a frankenstein monster of mismatched policy ideas that will not achieve their purported goals. they *will* make Bannon's "donor class" phenomenally richer though.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 18 November 2016 20:21 (seven years ago) link
Trump fiscal policy is going to be the most costly, distortionary and regressive shit imaginable
― flopson, Friday, 18 November 2016 20:21 (seven years ago) link
xps Those TVA projects were far-out man
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Friday, 18 November 2016 20:22 (seven years ago) link
what isn't clear to me is if it's a scam or if Trump really is dumb enough to think massive tax cuts for the wealthy create jobs/benefit Bannon's "working class"
he probably is that dumb now that I think about it
― Οὖτις, Friday, 18 November 2016 20:23 (seven years ago) link