Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/11/17/the-north-pole-is-an-insane-36-degrees-warmer-than-normal-as-winter-descends/?utm_term=.e5e857f9a1dc

cool

Comments depressing as always.

Man, the first comment is that there are no thermometers at the North Pole, so there!

I thought we had a half dozen or so weather bouys up there. We have 168, 6 of which being within 2 degrees (122 miles) of the North Pole.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2016/11/donald_trump_will_be_the_only_world_leader_to_deny_climate_change.html

heh

"Heh"

Not that many of the others are doing any fucking good either

we've now had a climate denying president from 2000-2008, a brief 2 year window of democratic control that didn't result in a cap and trade bill because ted kennedy died and massachusetts thought it would be good to replace him with scott brown for fun, followed by 6 years of GOP "noooooooo" + more climate denial, and now the election of a complete psychopath

you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you might find you get a psychopath

Both Arctic sea ice area and extent have been declining since Nov 15 during Arctic night. Unprecedented.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/22/nasa-earth-donald-trump-eliminate-climate-change-research

heh

That's so unbelievably infantile. Forget about the tremendous benefit of being able to observe Earth from space. NASA is about rocket ships and spacemen, and its mission should be to boldly go plant a flag on the Kuiper belt.

excuse me i'll be in the next room puking up breakfast for the next few years. fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck, these assholes

In terms of scientific merit (ascertained by citations), NASA is probably 80% earth observations, 18% astronomy and planetary science (from unmanned probes and orbiting telescopes), and < 2% from the entire manned program.

Should probably fit in 15% aeronautical engineering type stuff in there. But as far as capital S Science goes, Earth observations are by far the most important element of NASA for the wider scientific community.

FUCK

Fucking Trump and his fucking fuckery

http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/29/13780410/antarctica-glacier-ice-sheet-melting-sea-level-rising

the twitter account of the House of Representatives Committee on Science, Space, and Technology just tweeted a Breitbart link ("Global Temperatures Plunge. Icy Silence from Climate Alarmists")

https://twitter.com/HouseScience/status/804402881982066688

fuuuuuuuuuck this country

The chair of that committee is the rep of my district. He's a choad.

Btw surprise lots of campaign donations from energy companies

I have nothing to add except for more depressing FUCKs FUCK FUCK FUCK

If you have time, I think this is the sort of climate change message (food insecurity) that might get through to Midwesterners:

Its also really, really scary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YToMoNPwTFc

q for ppl who know:

what are a few of the best short essays/papers on despair/terror about global warming? i am interested in stuff that is not necessarily trying to generate despair/terror, but that considers the role these may have in generating inaction/helplessness/fatalism about the environment.

maybe connected to the tradition of beautiful/(terrifyingly)sublime thinking about nature, if possible.

I haven't read these, but it seems an interesting topic, so I just scanned Scholar for leads. Given the ranking system, the humanities oriented papers are fairly buried, but they're out there. If nothing else, they might offer pointers to something less academic:

Yusoff, 2009. Excess, catastrophe, and climate change. Environment and Planning D: Society and Space, 27(6), pp.1010-1029.
Foust and O'Shannon Murphy, 2009. Revealing and reframing apocalyptic tragedy in global warming discourse. Environmental Communication, 3(2), pp.151-167.
Fiala, 2010. Nero's Fiddle: On Hope, Despair, and the Ecological Crisis. Ethics & the Environment, 15(1), pp.51-68.
Smith, 2010. Is there an ecological unconscious. The New York Times Magazine, 31, pp.36-41.
Yusoff and Gabrys, 2011. Climate change and the imagination. Wiley Interdisciplinary Reviews: Climate Change, 2(4), pp.516-534.
McIntosh, 2012. Hell and high water: Climate change, hope and the human condition. Birlinn.
Willox, 2012. Climate change as the work of mourning. Ethics & the Environment, 17(2), pp.137-164.
Dossey, 2013. Global climate change and despair: a way out. Explore: The Journal of Science and Healing, 9(5), pp.261-271.
Levene, 2013. Climate blues: or how awareness of the human end might re-instil ethical purpose to the writing of history. Environmental humanities, 2(1), pp.147-167.
McKinnon, 2014. Climate Change: Against Despair. Ethics & the Environment, 19(1), pp.31-48.
Murphy, 2014. Pessimism, optimism, human inertia, and anthropogenic climate change. Interdisciplinary Studies in Literature and Environment, p.isu027.

Psychologists have been thinking about the issues for a while, one of the titles sounds like something out of Ballard. I'm surprised some of these journals already exist.

Fritze et al, 2008. Hope, despair and transformation: Climate change and the promotion of mental health and wellbeing. International Journal of Mental Health Systems, 2(1), p.1.
Albrecht, 2011. Chronic environmental change: Emerging ‘psychoterratic’ syndromes. In Climate Change and Human Well-Being (pp. 43-56). Springer New York.
Doherty and Clayton, 2011. The psychological impacts of global climate change. American Psychologist, 66(4), p.265.
Bourque and Willox, 2014. Climate change: The next challenge for public mental health?. International Review of Psychiatry, 26(4), pp.415-422.
Hasbach, 2015. Therapy in the face of climate change. Ecopsychology, 7(4), pp.205-210.

surprised to see this note in the mckinnon 2014!

Despite despair being an instantly recognizable, and not obviously mad, re-
sponse to the climate crisis, very little has been written on this. Notable exceptions are: Nolt 2010; Williston 2012; Fiala 2010.

https://twitter.com/MetmanJames/status/805716431711174656

cool

i gotta stop reading this thread

https://weather.com/news/news/breitbart-misleads-americans-climate-change?cm_ven=T_WX_CD_120616_2

there was a NYT Sunday op piece suggesting that the way to get through to GOP/Trump and investors, for that matter, on climate change is that greening the economy is provably GOOD FOR PROFITS. But I'm not holding my breath.

You just need to structure climate incentives so that most businesses benefit. For example, there are plenty of U.S. businesses that would benefit if the employer share of payroll taxes was replaced by a carbon tax in a revenue neutral fashion. Initially, yep its regressive, though the economists assure us wages/employment would adapt. But frankly progressive/reactionary in traditional terms mean rather little once one comprehends what 5 or 6 °C entails for all.

another good way could be to say it will bring more scary immigrants due to instability in hotter climates

(to get through to GOP base, although this would necessitate an understanding of cause/effect on multiple levels so)

another good way could be to say it will bring more scary immigrants due to instability in hotter climates

conservative response: fine, then let's build a bigger, stronger wall, and cut off all immigration. except for white people that we know and trust.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/statoil/2015/02/27/is-algae-the-next-sustainable-biofuel/#3179da527fa6

The thing with climate mitigation is that it IS good for the economy, although the largest impacts (in the US at least) won't be felt for some decades more.

another good way could be to say it will bring more scary immigrants due to instability in hotter climates

― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:59 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is a shitty & appalling argument to make

I don't think he was endorsing that view, but it's probably the only argument that would have any sway with certain shitty and appalling people

this is the best thread title, grimness of subject notwithstanding

I think we have to accept that a certain minority in all developed countries are hostile to immigration. And also that a 3+ °C hotter world means the refugee crisis in Europe will be orders of magnitude worse than it would otherwise be, with huge impacts in America as well. Simply following through projections for heat waves, droughts, shorter monsoons and growing seasons, expand range of insect pests, weeds, and plant diseases, etc. means hundreds of millions at risk of starvation, especially in subsaharan Africa, the Mideast, the Indian subcontinent, and central America.

Personally I see the future scenario depicted in Gwynne Dyer's Climate Wars fairly inevitable: many of the world's poor outbid for food requirements, dozens of collapsed states, fortified Southern borders, anti-immigrant naval activity in the Mediterranean and perhaps English channel, and constant sorties to deposit sulfates in the stratosphere to delay still worse effects. What changed in 2016 is I now fear this scenario won't be accompanied by awareness and collaboration, but by demagoguery and perhaps fascism.

Its an awful future, and one that is meaningful to someone in Kansas in a way that some Miami Beach millionaires trudging through seawater isn't.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/07/us/politics/scott-pruitt-epa-trump.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

i'm sure pruitt was al gore's top recommendation for the position

At this point I'd settle for Michael Brown-level incompetents heading the cabinet and other Federal agencies rather than these people who maliciously detest the missions of the departments they'll be heading.

don't worry I'm sure plenty of Trump's cabinet is totally incompetent

they'll be competent enough to deliberately cause shitloads of problems

who would you rather have as your boss - ben carson, who is a gigantic fucking idiot and admits that he knows nothing about HUD and isn't qualified to run the organization, or scott pruitt, who is an extremely competent evil man? it's a tossup. pruitt must be making the private giddy giggle face to himself in the bathroom mirror this afternoon. imagine spending 5 years crafting an elaborate plan to break into a building and set it on fire, and then out of the blue a farting fuckface makes you the owner of the building and gives you a bunch of tnt

seriously, fuck this

I'M REALLY ANGRY ABOUT THIS!!!!

I'm trying to stay angry but now can't stop laughing over "a farting fuckface."