I think pelosi has it in her. Less confident about Schumer.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 03:44 (seven years ago) link
Gerrymandering favors the minority party. In most of the country, Republicans are still the minority party.
scott, I kinda thank you for sharing that, but I read almost all of it last night and it's pretty clear every one of them phoned it in and there was barely any editing at all (because "essays" don't need fact-checking etc); I was especially disappointed by Shteyngart, although I guess I shouldn't have been and he's probably right anyway we all live in hell etc. And I have no idea what point Gawande was trying to make, other than "we need to keep doing our jobs!" thanks I'm glad the medical profession needed to be reminded of that
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 03:47 (seven years ago) link
"Nancy Pelosi brilliantly exploited tension between Senate Republicans torn apart on whether to starve the poor, hunt them down in the streets, or boil them alive before consuming their flesh."
― flopson, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 03:47 (seven years ago) link
"voter suppression for Republicans" = "actual democracy"
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 03:48 (seven years ago) link
Pelosi is in the House flopson
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 03:50 (seven years ago) link
that was an xp to miloturnout, turnout, candidates we care about, register, show up, vote the line.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 03:50 (seven years ago) link
That too
But we have 2 years til next election. In the meantime legislative hardball is required. Sad to see ppl here suggest there should be compromise w GOP.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 03:52 (seven years ago) link
aww, i didn't know gwen ifill died. i just heard it from obama. she would have been a better president than trump. r.i.p.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 03:58 (seven years ago) link
xp otm. it's not even so much a political question as a moral one.
― geometry-stabilized craft (art), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:00 (seven years ago) link
god, someone shared a Bill Burr-Conan interview on Facebook and I started watching it. I'm glad the rich white guy who screams constantly has nothing to fear from Trump.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:03 (seven years ago) link
lol that would be crazy and super risky/dumb. they would p much have to go fascist, after that.
― flopson, Monday, November 14, 2016 10:03 PM (one hour ago)
it's actually a great idea in terms of fairness and democracy, though it's a shame it'll happen in this context
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:07 (seven years ago) link
but didn't Ds have a supermajority in 08?
― flopson, Monday, November 14, 2016 10:19 PM (forty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Dems never had 2/3rds iirc
Xp
― Οὖτις, Monday, November 14, 2016 10:21 PM (forty-five minutes ago)
need 60, not 2/3, which the dems had for a short time until ted kennedy died. it was all downhill from there
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:08 (seven years ago) link
Oh right 3/5ths. My bad. I thought they only had 59 even w kennedy tho.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:22 (seven years ago) link
I will be surprised if mcconnell ditches the filibuster tbh. What does he care about democracy, he knows they're likely to be in the minority as soon as Trump fucks up.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:24 (seven years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Monday, November 14, 2016 11:22 PM (three minutes ago)
depends if you even wanted to count shitbags like evan bayh and joe lieberman
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:26 (seven years ago) link
See my RIP Joe Lieberman thread for reference
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:27 (seven years ago) link
need 60, not 2/3, which the dems had for a short time until ted kennedy died. it was all downhill from there― k3vin k., Tuesday, November 15, 2016 4:08 AM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― k3vin k., Tuesday, November 15, 2016 4:08 AM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
president scott brown was the end of the honeymoon for the obama administration. obamacare could only pass through reconciliation and it all went to shit from there.
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:30 (seven years ago) link
when does trump appoint that papa johns creep as the official white house chef
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:32 (seven years ago) link
Is Dave Thomas alive to take the job? Wider variety at Wendy's.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:32 (seven years ago) link
he knows they're likely to be in the minority as soon as Trump fucks up.
i admire your optimism
― qop (crüt), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:34 (seven years ago) link
ditto
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:45 (seven years ago) link
i still don't really understand how US politics works, still trying to read that thing Morbs linked about "cloture" lol
― flopson, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:45 (seven years ago) link
i've been on a pendulum this week. i haven't noticed it really until today, thinking -gutted and nauseated though i was feeling on the 9th- that i was keeping a level head, but today the Bannon pick has my heart racing, and i'm realizing that i've been holding a certain panic at bay. this sense of the ground slipping out from underneath me, the disorientation and sense of strangeness even, like when you return to your house after a long trip, feels ancient and familiar for me. it dates back to my childhood, which i thought far down the tunnel of memory, and the feelings leading up to the overthrow of Allende, except it's not far down a tunnel after all, it's right here after all, hovering over me, or even right here in the pit of my stomach.
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:51 (seven years ago) link
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2016/countycartrb512.pnghttp://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2016/countycartpurple512.png
Mark Newman's adjusted-by-population cartograms are back, and even if they seem a bit premature (aren't we still waiting on a large number of votes to be counted?) or incomplete (pity Alaska and Hawaii) they may still be helpful in the ongoing quest to grasp What Happened and What's To Be Done.
― dustalo springsteen (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:58 (seven years ago) link
I work with a lady that leans conservative (and I won't ask about her vote) that is buying private health insurance, is knowledgeable about politics and medicine (her daughter is a doctor), is not insured at work (part-time with no options in the company for full-time) and she makes too much for a subsidized market place plan (because of alimony and investments and such), but is 7 months away from Medicare. Her current options are $1200 a month for catastrophic care that doesn't cover much of anything at a day to day basis or the unthinkable of going without. She's figuring out how to juggle expenses while she waits for Medicare.
I won't be laughing at her gradual realization that there may not be anything for her in the short or long term future. Maybe she should have made better life choices.
― Zachary Taylor, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 06:08 (seven years ago) link
My parents went through a pretty rough ten years after my dad lost his job, and finally getting on Medicare has made a big difference to them. After what happened to my dad, seeing him lose medicare might make me angrier than anything else I can think of right now.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 06:12 (seven years ago) link
Torsten Bell, director of the Resolution Foundation, provided a useful breakdown of voting patterns in last Tuesday’s presidential election. Taken at face value, the results seem to show that Hillary Clinton did well among those voters on the lowest incomes. She led 53%-41% among those earning less than $30,000 a year and by 51%-42% among those earning between $30,000 and $50,000.
But these statistics are misleading. There was actually a 16-point net swing to the Republicans between the 2012 and 2016 elections among those earning less than $30,000 a year and a 6-point swing among those earning $30,000 to $50,000. By contrast, there was a swing to the Democrats among those on higher incomes, and this was particularly pronounced among those earning more than $100,000 a year.
The reasons for Trump were also the reasons for Brexit | John HarrisOne interpretation of these numbers would be that Americans on average or below average incomes voted for Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012 because they expected fundamental change from which they would benefit. They were still waiting for the change to come in 2016 and thought Trump was more likely to provide it than Clinton. The better off, who have being doing just fine out of business as usual, supported Clinton as the candidate of the status quo. For Wall Street and Silicon Valley she was the safer choice. As in other western countries, the party ostensibly of the left had nothing to say that its traditional base wanted to hear.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/economics-blog/2016/nov/13/donald-trump-product-of-new-economic-depression
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 10:03 (seven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/lottelydia/status/798211511915319296
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 11:09 (seven years ago) link
xp this interpretation largely relies on not know what 'numbers' are.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 11:10 (seven years ago) link
― dustalo springsteen (Doctor Casino)
was this deliberately made to look like a phoenix?
― xiphoid beetlebum (rushomancy), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 12:41 (seven years ago) link
Can totally imagine, when the shit settles, the new administration cutting off press access entirely. They did not run a fact-based campaign, many of the knuckleheads being hired are controversial or idiots or both, why would they want to face questioning ever? In some ways our only hope is their arrogance and ego.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 12:42 (seven years ago) link
Hmm, they'll probably want the big news orgs on board to propagandize for forthcoming wars though.
― more like dork enlightenment lol (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 12:55 (seven years ago) link
Useful idiots, sure. Maybe they will gravitate exclusively to things like this 60 minutes set up. A highly controlled environment.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 13:03 (seven years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, November 15, 2016 5:09 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
That's pretty righteous.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 13:19 (seven years ago) link
qrealDonaldTrump: If the election were based on total popular vote I would have campaigned in N.Y. Florida and California and won even bigger and more easily
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 13:48 (seven years ago) link
remember when we thought george w bush was simple
― maura, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 13:51 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, stick a fork in me etc
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 13:56 (seven years ago) link
if the 21st century has taught us anything so far it's that things can always somehow get worse
― not all those who chunder are sloshed (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 13:58 (seven years ago) link
This remains surreal, it's like karmic payback for decades of reality shows that snobs dismissed as "not real" so here you go, fuckers, here's your reality show, except this time, it is real and it's your life and you can't turn the show off.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:02 (seven years ago) link
I can no longer distinguish between the real and parody tweets
― frogbs, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:04 (seven years ago) link
Note that the president-elect of the United States continues to talk about himself and himself and himself and himself and not, like, ANY FUCKING PLAN OR VISION FOR THE COUNTRY AND WHAT HE INTENDS TO DO AS PRESIDENT.
Drop fucking dead, you heap of ochre shit.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:19 (seven years ago) link
None of this should be at all surprising. He was still publicly nursing wounds about his defeated opponents long after winning the nomination.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:22 (seven years ago) link
Twitter is gonna be that dumb motherfucker's downfall, mark my words. Either his handlers have now taken a hands-off approach or he doesn't feel like he needs to listen to their advice anymore. It's just a matter of time until he tweets classified information or something equally stupid and dangerous.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:29 (seven years ago) link
The Associated Press @AP 55m55 minutes ago
President-elect Donald Trump criticised after tweeting, then deleting, a nude picture of himself.
― not all those who chunder are sloshed (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:32 (seven years ago) link
The Associated Press @AP 15m20 minutes ago
America officially the first all-blind nation after accidentally viewing nude picture of president-elect Trump.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:34 (seven years ago) link
Kinda feeling like, instead of appointing Giuliani or Bolton as Secretary of State, Trump could do away with the position altogether and just have one foreign leader after another come to visit so that he can piss directly into their faces.
― i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:39 (seven years ago) link
?????
xp
― Evan, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:40 (seven years ago) link
Oh, jokes. Sorry just got here.
― Evan, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:41 (seven years ago) link
See, we can't even tell!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:48 (seven years ago) link