Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

I'm not that into the ferengi culture episodes, but DS9 has a core ferengi family that nearly redeems the weird stereotypes they represent in some of the other series

DS9 pretty much rescues the Ferengi from the cartoon villain niche TNG had placed them, they become much more interesting and less clichéd during the series' run. Nog's character arc especially is one of the best things about DS9, the scene where he confronts Sisko's implicit racism towards him is so powerful, and a very effective criticism against sci-fi writers' tendency to give each alien species just one dominant attribute (all Klingons are proud warriors, all Ferengi are shameless capitalists, etc). That scene madene cry, something I never could've imagined based on how TNG handled the Ferengi.

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"that scene made me cry"

DS9, the show that gave you an episode where a Ferengi deals with his post-traumatic stress from combat in the holodeck and it ends up being one of the show's best.

Don't forget that the one who helps him deal with PTSD is a hologram 1950s crooner! And yeah, it's a great episode.

wtf is up w the Captain's line readings

He's the inheritor of Shatner's theatricality!

It bugged me at first too, but if you listen to him in that way, he's a lot of fun. He's more conventionally powerful later on in the series, though.

great article linked above on DS9 recap, though it breaks my heart whenever people suggest skipping episodes (though frankly they're skipping a smallish portion in that guide). suffer or die!

ciderpress: totally agreed on your Voyager stance

yeah that DS9 guide linked above is good but at the very least i would add in season 3 two-parter "Past Tense" with its ever-increasingly believable portrayal of a dystopian 2024 San Francisco

regarding voyager characters, Chakotay is possibly the biggest missed opportunity for a character in all of trek. They developed the Maquis just for voyager, then they did nothing with him.

yeah he was indistinguishable from a normal starfleet officer by the end of the first season

my wife has been working her way through voyager recently and i've been half-watching along with her, mostly seeing these episodes for the first time

the conclusion i have come to through this process is as follows: harry kim is the most pathetic wet blanket in the history of television

also, every time chakotay's native american heritage is invoked it always seems to involve a bunch of embarrassing new age bullshit

otm, harry is nearly offensive in that regard

trying to remember how the ds9/voyager rollout went -- how much airtime did voyager even have before the maquis were all killed on ds9?

the Maquis were introduced in the 2nd season of DS9 and Voyager debuted the following year afaik, long before any of the big shit went down in DS9

yeah, looks like mid-season five of DS9 was when it all came to a head

also, every time chakotay's native american heritage is invoked it always seems to involve a bunch of embarrassing new age bullshit

― not all those who chunder are sloshed (bizarro gazzara), Monday, November 14, 2016 4:00 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the flutes! every time.

BTW I did not mean to indicate I like ALL of Voyager's crew/cast. Harry Kim and Tom Paris suck. B'ellana is ok sometimes but mostly dull. Chakotay is missed opportunity, I agree, but I really like his relationship with the captain.

sooo, the Doctor, Tuvok, Seven of Nine, Janeway and Neelix then?

doc and tuvok are the mvps to me, mainly because of the actors, both of whom are great

seven of nine is cool most of the time, janeway is written to be infallible too often but mulgrew plays her brilliantly, and neelix is a nuclear-grade irritant who should have been blasted into the frigid vacuum of space in the first episode tbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKTpBN6jKa4

hah i was about to mention that episode as the one that sold me on tuvok as a great character

were there multiple episodes of tuvok getting horny or am i confusing it with all the other horny vulcan episodes

if they exist i haven't seen them

sooo, the Doctor, Tuvok, Seven of Nine, Janeway and Neelix then?

― mh 😏, Monday, November 14, 2016 4:32 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And sort of Chakotay. And unlike most people I also like Kes.

I hate Neelix but in a way that I enjoy.

Star Trek wasn’t just a show; it was a whole philosophy. People don’t love Star Trek just because it’s got wacky aliens. They love it because the wacky aliens bonk each other with goofed-up widgets while a bunch of dunces in matching pajamas yammer on and on as their doors whoosh back and forth, all to make some Dr. Seuss-type point.

Just watched Voyager's "Body and Soul" where Jeri Ryan gets to do her best Robert Picardo impression -- quite recommended.

and the doctor misuses her body, so creepy

http://www.clickhole.com/article/oral-history-star-trek-5174 (where that quote that ciderpress posted comes from)

Is that worth reading? Funny or just silly?

I lold

lol @ the fake episode titles

Okay, you've convinced me.

I still can't believe that Paramount has not done a "new next generation" type show basically picking up the Next Generation/DS 9/Voyager story 15-20 years later. They could use some of the cast from those three shows and basically go from there. It seems with the love of streaming shows a huge cast version of Star Trek would be big on line.

from the official Roddenberry Facebook page:

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15230750_10154054216128144_5758750103261605148_n.jpg?oh=e836282e504821239b70442132feb5bc&oe=58B4DA60

Put that on our tree last night

One would hope there is an IDIC hanging right next to it.

lol

that thing also has audio of the "ship ... out of danger?" etc. exchange

that's amazing

What? Audio too!?

Now I'm imagining Scotty telling Mary "He's dead, already"

https://twitter.com/JoshuaBizabcock/status/805222770686603264

Astounded.

Spockin' around the Christmas tree.

Just watched Voyager's "Body and Soul" where Jeri Ryan gets to do her best Robert Picardo impression -- quite recommended.

my wife's marathon voyager rewatch reached this episode over the weekend and jeri ryan is genuinely amazing as the doctor. reminded me a bit of anna torv's equally spot-on leonard nimoy impersonation in an episode of fringe

also, watching harry kim get humiliated over and over again is really, really painful. he's such a hapless dork - and he's still an ensign after like seven years' service!

i have a borg cube christmas tree ornament. it's never seen a tree though.

being on voyager was a sure-fire way to kill your career prospects

if they took the full seventy years to get back, there could be an episode where nearly everyone is dead, and everyone is given senior rank on their return or made a captain, except for ensign kim

there would probably be some third-generation crew members outranking harry by that point

mh, in answer to your earlier question re: horny-tuvok episodes, i can now confirm that there's at least one!

tuvok starts getting the raging spacehorn and paris helps him out by teaching him to use the holodeck as a masturbatory aid - tuvok creates a holographic double of his wife he can hump without guilt, everyone lives happily ever after (apart from harry kim).

pretty sure there is another one earlier in the series but the details escape me tbh

I'm going to have to scroll up, as I definitely didn't mean to imply the existence of such an episode was in question