Howrd Dean throwing his hat in the ring for DNC chair again. I know there are some who dislike him; but he did some good stuff as DNC chair last time.
― akm, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:12 (nine years ago)
just want to lol at "low information voters" for a minute. as if a million echoing polls told us anything or gave us any valuable info besides "She'll win!".
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, November 11, 2016 11:58 AM (eleven minutes ago)
this sentence makes no sense.
― sarahell, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:12 (nine years ago)
christie finally got his letter from the FBI telling him he's a suspect in bridgegate?
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:14 (nine years ago)
Howard Dean is good people and his 50 state strategy was otm
― Οὖτις, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:15 (nine years ago)
Yeah, if all the DNC Chair possibilities are people like Dean and Ellison I won't be mad
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:16 (nine years ago)
Howard Dean is now a lobbyist shit; eff him
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:18 (nine years ago)
https://thinkprogress.org/giuliani-dean-paid-to-advocate-for-terrorist-group-9c316a06c50#.qdj2ra5dk
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/14/howard-dean-lobbyist/
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:19 (nine years ago)
Dean has lobbied for grotesque shit, as most lobbyists do, but I have immense respect for the 50-state strategy and how he forced Dems to think past the enclaves (this sense of entrapment is what I most remember from December 2004-Januarly 2005). He's also much smarter on TV than he let on in 2003.
But I'll take the black congressmen from Milwaukee.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:19 (nine years ago)
ha -- I was gonna hyperlink that Thinkprogress story
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:20 (nine years ago)
what is the counter to low information voters - high information voters? people that pay thorough attention to constant polling? the media and the left just did this obsessively for 6 months and got caught w their pants down. Clinton ditched out of the rest belt cos all that great high information told them they didn't need it.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:20 (nine years ago)
rust belt
"America died on Nov. 8, 2016, not with a bang or a whimper, but at its own hand via electoral suicide."
http://billmoyers.com/story/farewell-america/#.WCUbk-3V-Md.facebook
― scott seward, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:20 (nine years ago)
you guys looked like you needed some cheering up.
― scott seward, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:21 (nine years ago)
opinion polls are not the type of information we were referring to. At least, I wasn't.
― sarahell, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:22 (nine years ago)
No, that's generally not what *anyone* is referring to with that phrase
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:25 (nine years ago)
Pence taking over transition team from Christie
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:25 (nine years ago)
All the autopsies seem to reveal to me is that Dems should have run an obnoxious asshole that would get through some very thick skulls.
― Distribution of all possible outcomes (Sanpaku), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:25 (nine years ago)
I think we all need some smelling salts to wake up from the world we've been living in the past decade or so. Trump is president. That still hasn't sunk in for me yet. Clearly the established way of doing things isn't working out too well. It's over, pack it up, the game has changed.
― larry appleton, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:27 (nine years ago)
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― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:28 (nine years ago)
I think 'people planning on Trump being more liberal than Obama' is what most people mean by low-information voter.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:29 (nine years ago)
good example, troo
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:32 (nine years ago)
In 2012, after Obama was elected to a second term, Trump tweeted: “We can’t let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided!”
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:34 (nine years ago)
we *should* march on Washington
― Οὖτις, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:35 (nine years ago)
in addition to "bigly," i wonder if we could stop throwing around these "racist" and "fascist" bombs as often as we do, particularly as applied to whole swaths of the population we don't know very well, and whose votes we need.
― Thus Sang Freud, Friday, November 11, 2016 7:16 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark
I'm getting rather tired of this. Not directed at you, but I keep hearing the same argument: "those 50m trump voters can't all be racist right?" Why not? Why can't 50 million people be racist? They voted for a racist! Trump doesn't even hide his racism, he boasts about it. Death penalty for five black men, saying he'll only let a Jew count his money, wanting to ban Muslims only because they are Muslims...
He ís a racist. And all the millions who voted for him are too. There is nothing "impossible" about that. Yes, they can be nice people, they can be your mother or best friend or yr fave sports star. So what? That doesn't make someone nót racist. Voting for a racist makes you a racist, too. An enabler at the very least.
I see a lot of people on the left saying "we should listen to these people's concerns, they can't be all racist", terrified that calling someone who is a racist a racist will backfire. Listen to their concerns we should, but no concerns make it ok to support a racist. If anything the election of notable and proud racist Trump should teach left ánd right that there are a hell of a lot more white racists then they thought there were.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:37 (nine years ago)
(Scratch 'white' from 'white racists')
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:38 (nine years ago)
Trump's rise was fueled by a guy who told people he saw genetically-modified fish people being kept in tubes in a secret government lab, and then cried on air about it. Like what the fuck? It's disturbing how this is being treated as normal, like we should all just go along with it like this is an acceptable course of things. This is still so insane to me.
― larry appleton, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:38 (nine years ago)
Re: protests -- I'm less concerned about public perception of civil unrest, and more concerned that cops or military troops will be overly violent in suppressing the standard issue Oakland protest (break a few windows around 8, set a dumpster on fire around 9-ish, occupy the freeway on ramp around 10-ish, go home around midnight) and things will get ugly.
I work near the main assembly point for the protests, and was told to leave work early yesterday.
― sarahell, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:40 (nine years ago)
90 days to go.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:41 (nine years ago)
This is still so insane to me.
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:43 (nine years ago)
They usually take a break for Thanksgiving.
― sarahell, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:43 (nine years ago)
Local protests on election day are going to be cold.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:44 (nine years ago)
Of the many striking thing I've seen in the last couple of days since the election, the most striking to me has been photos of Donald Trump looking truly miserable and slightly scared as he visits the White House and Capitol and it sinks in on him what he's in for. It's hard right now to say which might be worse: a strong but ignorant Trump steering us to disaster, or a weak and disheartened Trump being fought over by the craftier and nastier power-seekers who'll mob around him.
Since I can't decide what road to hell we're taking, I guess I won't try to suss out the future. I'll just try to organize effective opposition to whatever crap starts flowing out of DC.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:47 (nine years ago)
i am willing to believe that stupid ppl may not think DT is racist
it's my Pollyanna side
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2016 20:50 (nine years ago)
LBI otm fuck these people. including my family members.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:55 (nine years ago)
this fucking bullshit
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxAkCm1WgAA7C6n.jpg
― Οὖτις, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:57 (nine years ago)
xp - I agree with you Morbz.
― sarahell, Friday, 11 November 2016 20:58 (nine years ago)
doesn't make them non-racist
― Οὖτις, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:00 (nine years ago)
Is it correct that during Trumps election campaign he largely avoided answering questions from the press? That's going to change now right?
― badg, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:03 (nine years ago)
I mean, all of American history is less-racist-to-varying-degrees people accommodating racist white people--no word "slavery" in the Constitution, just as a for instance, and consolidating white economic security at the expense of nonwhite actual security and human dignity. Why not just start calling it what it is?
― horseshoe, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:04 (nine years ago)
I have done/said racist things in my life.
I do not believe I am a racist.
Action(s) and quintessence are not nec the same thing.
Are the POC who voted for Trump racists?
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2016 21:05 (nine years ago)
... of course POC can be racist wtd
― Οὖτις, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:06 (nine years ago)
wtf
They're fucking assholes
― horseshoe, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:06 (nine years ago)
#notallAmericanhistory
― sarahell, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:06 (nine years ago)
Is voting against the social and economic security of most PoC inherently racist?
― sarahell, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:08 (nine years ago)
I mean the word racist means something! Words mean things!
― horseshoe, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:09 (nine years ago)
words mean different things to different people!
― sarahell, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:10 (nine years ago)
It doesnt matter if there were some lost sheep in the clown coalition. Racism was a major part of the movement, a major reason it was popular. It's the only thing that makes this phenomenon intelligible.
― Treeship, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:10 (nine years ago)
No one really thought he was going to bring their jobs back come on. He was a vehicle for white revenge by and large.
― Treeship, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:11 (nine years ago)
No one really thought he was going to bring their jobs back come on.
they wanted to believe! not saying that race wasn't a factor, but it wasn't the only one, if you're talking about everyone who supported him.
― sarahell, Friday, 11 November 2016 21:12 (nine years ago)