the simpsons' peak period - can we have some consensus please ?

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but my fave episode comes from season 8 (Marge Be Not Proud)

Except that's season 7.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Season 15 was pretty good. Pieman! The Red Dress Press! Lisa as Evita!

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

season 8 is great! i mean, you can see a lot of signs of slipping, but the show was still hilarious. season 9 is almost entirely bad - i was just looking at a list of episodes and there's hardly any i'd ever want to see again, except the one where homer buys a gun.

season 10 has the last really classic episode (lisa cheats on a test, homer gets a pet lobster), at least.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

but my fave episode comes from season 8 (Marge Be Not Proud)
Except that's season 7.

D'oh!

Okay, for season 8, allow me this quote:

"like, we tried nothin' man and we're all out of ideas!"

PappaWheelie B.C., Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Why do I have a feeling that variations on this thread constitute the most widely asked message-board question on the Internet?

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link

And are a result of a generation gap possibly...

PappaWheelie B.C., Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Season 9 has the New York episode! And Lisa the Simpson! With FROZEN Jasper! The Navy episode! The Helper monkey! It's good stuff.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

A lot more fller is definitely slipping in by 9 & 10 though.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

What's funny is that Season 8 seems to be both solid gold and kind of shakey. I mean, it has Scorpio, Milhouse's divorce, Lisa loves Nelson, Ned goes crazy, JOHNNY CASH, the Mountain of Madness, the nanny, Poochie, John Waters, David Hyde Pierce as Sideshow Bob's brother, the fishbulb episode, Frank Grimes, and the Simpsons Spin-Off Showcase. Which are all great, but which are all episodes that I've mentally tagged as "great exceptions to the decline", like I would have imagined them spread out over the next four or five seasons, but they're all that year. And even the ones that I haven't mentioned are pretty good (I may be overcompensating for recent rubbish, of course). Apart of course from Rodney Dangerfield.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I love Rodney. That episode's ending is the best.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Are the Treehouses still good? I'd definitely put around seven of them in my top ten episodes, but it wouldn't seem fair to the others.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Apart of course from Rodney Dangerfield.

B-b-b-but he spelled Yale with a 7.

PappaWheelie B.C., Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

7ale

PappaWheelie B.C., Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

or Ya7e

PappaWheelie B.C., Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

pwnd

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

The answer to this terminally irritating question is NO, WE CANNOT GET A FREAKIN CONSENSUS ON THIS because people keep whining about how awful later shows are, but then contradicting each other as to why or when. I'm so tired of this argument. So they have done some really dud shows, so what? Why does this argument never get trotted out about any other show? (and dont say "because the simpsons is so huge/has been on so long").

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

"whining".

Welcome to ILX...I mean, the internet...I mean, human interaction.

FUCK SEASON 11 AND BEYOND.

PappaWheelie B.C., Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

why don't we skip to listing the classic episodes from season 10-present. Marxism got me with Pieman, that was ace.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

The latest episode is always my favorite. Current is funny!

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

well Trayce to be fair I do think the Simpsons is in uncharted territory - as far as long-running primetime cartoons go. But 2-8 does seem to be the general consensus...? or am I overlooking some vigorous dissentions...?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

It's good stuff

Yeah, but 8 has great stuff. I'd happily watch any of the 9 ones again, but probably not again after that for a long time (Exception: the New York episode, which I've already seen too many times, though I'm not sure I saw it twice.)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

The premiere was a bit lame, save for "the rubes" line and something i've probably forgotten.

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually last night ch10 here showed a new one, where Homer's convinced Armageddon is nigh, and it wasnt too bad. I particularly liked how god himself boomed "DEUS EX MACHINA" and undid his own apocalypse. You cant argue it was a lazy out when they did it so blatantly =)

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think I laughed once last Sunday.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

THE DECISIVE MOMENT:

Bart the Mother (#5F22 / SI-922) 27 Sep 1998
Bart accidentally kills a mother bird with Nelson Muntz's bee-bee gun, and tries his best to raise the mother's eggs on his own. But when the hatchlings turn out to be a pair of destructive lizards that harvest nests for their own survival, the town's bird population is placed at great risk. Guest voice Phil Hartman, in his final speaking role on The Simpsons.

The fall of Troy (McClure) = the fall of the Simpsons

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link

"Rubes"

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

is a bee-bee gun the same as a BB gun?

rainy (rainy), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I just found out what "So I says to Mabel, I says" was a reference to. I'd always wondered.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh my god, what is it? I've always wondered, And basically concluded that it's just a thing to be saying when you're interrupted.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually last night ch10 here showed a new one, where Homer's convinced Armageddon is nigh, and it wasnt too bad. I particularly liked how god himself boomed "DEUS EX MACHINA" and undid his own apocalypse. You cant argue it was a lazy out when they did it so blatantly =)

-- Trayce (spamspanke...), September 13th, 2005.]

that is incredibly stupid

, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Bart uses the line "So I says to Mabel, I says" in El Viaje Misterioso de Nuestro Homer. What is this in reference to?

Some a.t.s. readers have attributed this quote to George Burns and Gracie Allen, as some kind of old vaudeville routine. Others have speculated that it is the type of thing you would hear an old gossipy housewife use on a 1950s sitcom and that Bart's use of it is the joke, much like his use of Cockney phrases or those of an 1890s prospector. Consarnit.

One fan reports to have also heard the phrase on a 1995 Monty Python CD-ROM game.

But the mystery of the actual reference has been revealed at last - or at least it seems - by a reader named Funkychuck: "It's actually from [the book] The Great Gatsby. The main character meets these two women who are already deep in conversation and the one says 'so I says to Mabel, I says' as he walks in. They have a short, pointless back and forth, the main character leaves, and the lady resumes the conversation with the same line over again. I'm not 100% on this, but I had just read the book when that episode aired and I remember feeling quite smart at having caught such an obscure reference. Unless I'm completely wrong, in which case I can resume feeling stupid. Hope this helps!"

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Basically, anytime they treat "The Simpson Family" as a character = dud.

Vacation episodes for cliche culture jokes = dud.

Overlooking nuances built into characters over 10 years = dud.

I'm done whining...sorry all, this subject is my lone sore spot, so I really should (and will) sign off now.

PappaWheelie B.C., Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

that is incredibly stupid

See this is why I hate these arguments. What is stupid? Why? Explain - and convince me.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually no, forget it, this has been done to death.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

"You cant argue it was a lazy out when they did it so blatantly"

thats the stupid part. hope I cleared things up! :o)

, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

why don't we skip to listing the classic episodes from season 10-present. Marxism got me with Pieman, that was ace.

classics from Season 11:

Brother's Little Helper (#AABF22 / SI-1022) 3 Oct 1999
When Bart is hastily diagnosed with Attention Deficit Disorder, he becomes the latest victim of "Focusin," a new drug touted to boost academic attention spans. Guest starring Mark McGwire as himself.

E-I-E-I-(ANNOYED GRUNT) (#AABF19 / SI-1019) 7 Nov 1999
Homer and family move to an old farm where he and Bart conjure up "Tomacco," an incredibly addictive cross between Tobacco and Tomatoes. Guest starring The B-52's (end credits theme) and Frank Welker as the barnyard animals.

Missionary: Impossible (#BABF11 / SI-1111) 20 Feb 2000
Homer becomes a missionary on a remote, tropical island as part of his effort to evade the local PBS affiliate's pledge drive collection officials. Guest starring Betty White as herself.

Bart to the Future (#BABF13 / SI-1113) 19 Mar 2000
While visiting an Indian casino with his family, Bart encounters an Indian who foretells of his future. Bart learns that in the future he is a ne'er-do-well musician with Ralph Wiggum as a room mate. He goes to see Lisa to borrow money, but Lisa has her own problems, being the newly-elected President of the United States and facing a tax crisis.

quality does not equal quality (wetmink), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

actually, curtis may be onto something about Hartman's death - that "Bart the Mother" episode is horrible... was that season 9?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

"Bart the Mother" is season 10... yeah, it's not a high point.

quality does not equal quality (wetmink), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Three of those episodes I'm not bothered about, but Brother's Little Helper is great alright.

I suspect that SNPP is not exactly snopes.com on this subject, though Google certainly thinks it is.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Andrew OTM re: those four

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link

"Missionary: Impossible" is one of my all-time favorites though, with the parody of PBS & British comedy, and Homer's introduction of gambling as the island's panacea. (Native: "The Lucky Savage"? Homer: It could be YOU!)

quality does not equal quality (wetmink), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll give it a pass on the basis of Betty White, who I love.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I really don't like Missionary Impossible but the other 3 are good

tremendoid (tremendoid), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link

"Missionary Impossible" coined the phrase, "Jeebus," did it not?

Chris L, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

haha, yeah. "Help me, Jeebus!"

quality does not equal quality (wetmink), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Season 9 and beyond are the ones where it sounds like they worked out a gag for the title then built the rest around it (Simpson Tide, Das Bus, Realty Bites). Though this is probably very subjective, a lot of the classic years had groaners for titles as well.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link

"the computer wore menace shoes" from season 12 is one of my favorite recent episodes. its the one with the parody of "the prisoner," and jabs at the drudge report. homer stumbles onto the secret that flu shots are used for mind control and is taken to a secret island and repeatedly drugged. he is replaced by a fake homer with a german accent.

quote:

Bart: There's something different about you, Dad.
Fake Homer: [german accent] I am a new tie wearing.


season two is still the best, and i'm not up on the new season, but i don't think it's time for them to quit yet.

viborgu, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes! I love the fake German Homer. "Aren't dere any evil movies on, like maybe somethink about an evil island?"

quality does not equal quality (wetmink), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Bart to the Future (#BABF13 / SI-1113) 19 Mar 2000
While visiting an Indian casino with his family, Bart encounters an Indian who foretells of his future. Bart learns that in the future he is a ne'er-do-well musician with Ralph Wiggum as a room mate. He goes to see Lisa to borrow money, but Lisa has her own problems, being the newly-elected President of the United States and facing a tax crisis.

No. It is a scientific fact that when Bart and/or Lisa see their future, the episode sucks.

Sasha (sgh), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link


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