How mainstream is the audience for this?Is it something that most people are likely to see or is it still in the realms of comic book fanboy stuff for most people?
Hoping that it is at least stumbled on.& I guess Netflix is in a lot of people's homes now worldwide.
― Stevolende, Friday, 21 October 2016 19:29 (seven years ago) link
I think the Marvel Netflix shows have proven to be pretty popular but I also don't know that there's an effective metric for actually measuring that popularity atm.
― the most corrupt, deceitful, lying, caniving, treasonist, POS (Old Lunch), Friday, 21 October 2016 19:33 (seven years ago) link
my FB feed isnt lit up with posts about it like Stranger Things was but I've seen a couple.
― Spottie, Friday, 21 October 2016 19:58 (seven years ago) link
yeah, i chuckled when Frankie Faison's character mentioned Richard Price and Dennis Lehane, as they both wrote episodes of The Wire
Pelecanos and the other guy got a shout too!
― Godspeed You! Black Widow (Leee), Friday, 21 October 2016 20:15 (seven years ago) link
first season of DD was just too mean and brutal for its own good in my opinion and i almost didn't watch the second season because of that but i kinda liked how over-the-top and demented the second season was. i liked the elektra stuff.
― scott seward, Friday, 21 October 2016 20:19 (seven years ago) link
yeah, the 2nd season was way better!
― sarahell, Friday, 21 October 2016 20:48 (seven years ago) link
re: slowness -- i didn't feel this re the pace of the story, but i did feel it in some of lay back and conversate scenes, starting with the barbershop in the first ep; which seemed careful and stately when conversations in such places tend to be fast and, well, unstately
this wasn't a huge deal but it meant a scene that was important to setting a mood and a community and culture was more tell than show (i felt)
(i only know marvel via the movies -- the vast interconnectedness daunted me as a kid, even tho lol i was a kid like 40 years b4 most of the rest of you, and i never embarked on them -- anyway, this is entirely watchable and explicable w/o needing to know anything abt other storylines)
many many xposts: scott upthread lamented there not being "a great black family drama to watch on t.v." and it suddenly made me flash on a series from, i'm guessing, the early 90s, which was exactly this -- i think it was named for the name or number of the house, but i honestly don't remember much about it except that it was a bit groundbreaking for being about urban black american life and family without being embedded in crime or social justice issues? haha this is not much of a clue -- maybe i shd ask my sister, i watched it with her
― mark s, Friday, 21 October 2016 20:51 (seven years ago) link
227
― ¶ (DJP), Friday, 21 October 2016 20:52 (seven years ago) link
well wait that was a sitcom, not a drama
was it this? http://www.famousfix.com/topic/413-hope-st
― ¶ (DJP), Friday, 21 October 2016 20:53 (seven years ago) link
huh totally don't remember that
― Οὖτις, Friday, 21 October 2016 20:59 (seven years ago) link
p sure it was not 227 tho lol
yes i think it was, dan, thank you -- i was going to say i think it was cancelled before first season finished, which it was
wikipedia: "The topics addressed by the series included drug addiction and recovery, HIV and AIDS, foster care, re-integration into society after incarceration, and homelessness" <-- so a bit more social-justicey than i remembered
anyway, digression, sorry
― mark s, Friday, 21 October 2016 21:00 (seven years ago) link
there was another series that meets the criteria (well maybe not the number in the title) that ran around the same time - maybe earlier? - and only lasted like one season. arrrgh what was that, I remember there was an episode addressing dark-skinned vs. light-skinned cultural hierarchy stuff
― Οὖτις, Friday, 21 October 2016 21:00 (seven years ago) link
I can totally picture the lead and can't recall his name. bah!
― Οὖτις, Friday, 21 October 2016 21:01 (seven years ago) link
ah Frank's Place
― Οὖτις, Friday, 21 October 2016 21:02 (seven years ago) link
ha I was going to try Frank's Place next
― ¶ (DJP), Friday, 21 October 2016 21:03 (seven years ago) link
(frank's place definitely earlier)
― mark s, Friday, 21 October 2016 21:09 (seven years ago) link
i liked frank's place. i want to get the live season of roc on dvd. do you guys remember when they did that?
a t.v. version of the movie crooklyn, that would be good. i dunno, doesn't have to be super nostalgic. just something good. like i said, just so many talented people out there now who could make such a great drama.
― scott seward, Friday, 21 October 2016 21:36 (seven years ago) link
huh, i do not remember that hope street show. but if it got cancelled right away that might be why.
― scott seward, Friday, 21 October 2016 21:38 (seven years ago) link
you guys probably didn't watch the show Southland but in that show Regina King played a detective and there was lots of home life stuff with her and she was by far the most compelling part of the show. and i sometimes wished that the whole show was about her and her mom and their dating lives. but i'm kind of an old maid....
also really liked abraham from the walking dead on that show as the gay cop. probably the best role he'll ever have.
― scott seward, Friday, 21 October 2016 21:43 (seven years ago) link
oh yeah I remember Southland
― ¶ (DJP), Friday, 21 October 2016 21:44 (seven years ago) link
I also don't know that there's an effective metric for actually measuring that popularity atm.
― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Friday, 21 October 2016 22:16 (seven years ago) link
xps Southland was ace. Such a shame it never really broke through
― groovypanda, Sunday, 23 October 2016 19:47 (seven years ago) link
wow episode 4 (the origin story episode) was *terrible*
man that really stopped things dead, way too many dumbshit cliches w him + the prison psychologist
― Οὖτις, Monday, 24 October 2016 22:42 (seven years ago) link
pvmic
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 24 October 2016 22:56 (seven years ago) link
you're welcome :)
― Οὖτις, Monday, 24 October 2016 22:58 (seven years ago) link
There's more to be revealed about the prison psychologist (AKA his ex-wife, as anyone who's watched all of these shows like a TRUEFAN already knows).
― the most corrupt, deceitful, lying, caniving, treasonist, POS (Old Lunch), Monday, 24 October 2016 23:00 (seven years ago) link
oh... great
― Οὖτις, Monday, 24 October 2016 23:05 (seven years ago) link
The writing/directing cliches and often terrible acting in this pretty much killed it for me. Not a patch on Daredevil which, while also riddled with awful acting here and there (I see u, Karen Page actress), was still sufficiently weird and entertaining. And it felt like it didn't take place in a three -block radius throughout the entire damned series. Plus the villains and their ambitions were weak.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 24 October 2016 23:08 (seven years ago) link
So there.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 24 October 2016 23:09 (seven years ago) link
Who were the terrible actors, if you please?
― the most corrupt, deceitful, lying, caniving, treasonist, POS (Old Lunch), Monday, 24 October 2016 23:16 (seven years ago) link
the black ones
― ¶ (DJP), Monday, 24 October 2016 23:19 (seven years ago) link
Off top of my head: Guy who plays Shades (awful)/ guy who plays Cage's doc/Cottonmouth/...
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 24 October 2016 23:22 (seven years ago) link
Not a patch on Daredevil
lolwhut
― Spottie, Monday, 24 October 2016 23:35 (seven years ago) link
I think he meant that DD is even worse.
― Godspeed You! Black Widow (Leee), Monday, 24 October 2016 23:58 (seven years ago) link
No, I meant I prefer DD over this. Crazy, huh?
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 25 October 2016 00:05 (seven years ago) link
yes
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 25 October 2016 01:12 (seven years ago) link
Origin ep was my fav out of the ones I've seen.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 01:16 (seven years ago) link
right!?
I dunno what kind of ingmar bergman shit ppl expect from this show.
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 25 October 2016 03:09 (seven years ago) link
we need our own *forget it jake it's ilx* nicholson scabby nose jpegs
― scott seward, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 12:21 (seven years ago) link
God forbid everyone's not on the same page about something lol
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 25 October 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link
nah, its not that. for me its more the "this show is kinda cliche" kinda thing. about a show based on a comic book. that was made for children. i mean the cliches are built in. i see that on ilx a lot. but hey people have high standards!
i see this all the time now when it comes to kid's stuff though. not just here. "that movie that was made for 8 year old children about the cartoon fish just didn't MOVE me like the first one did..."
― scott seward, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 15:49 (seven years ago) link
ingmar bergman shit
lol this is... not what I'm looking for
this show is not for kids, it's basically a blaxploitation/noir homage, as noted upthread. the comic book stuff is more or less window-dressing. cliched writing is never good.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 15:58 (seven years ago) link
i'd say they were aiming for 14-21. male.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 16:19 (seven years ago) link
shakey otm. the argument that properties based on comic books don't have to be good holds no water. the entire point of the MCU and the reason for its success is based on the radical notion that filmed entertainment based on comic book properties doesn't have to suck.
i loved loved loved what this show was trying to do. tremendous cast and attention to detail in the production kept me going, and if you pressed me i could even tell you what it was about (vgl guy restores his future by coming to terms with his past), but in the most fundamental sense there was almost nothing by way of story or character. just this happened and then that happened and then oh hey this other thing is happening and now it's over.
that all the screenwriting techniques were present just made it worse bc none of them were put to any use. Commissioner Burrell saying "always forward" every other line doesn't count as plant and payoff; quoting scripture or wearing sunglasses doesn't make a villain interesting; and while all of the four major heavies bore structural relationships with the hero none of them actually served as foils.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 25 October 2016 16:25 (seven years ago) link
tbf none of the netflix joints have really done much for me but this one was more of a downer bc it set its sights so high
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 25 October 2016 16:27 (seven years ago) link
i didn't say they didn't have to be good. just that genre stuff plays by different rules.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 16:30 (seven years ago) link
"I'm going to tell you what the story was and then turn around and say there was no story" is what I'm taking away from your post.
― ¶ (DJP), Tuesday, 25 October 2016 16:30 (seven years ago) link
i feel like almost everything is held to the same standard now, and i think there are different standards. that's all.
(though it probably bugged me even more in the old days when people would do that: hey, this is actually pretty good for a horror movie/sci-fi book/metal album/etc!)
― scott seward, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 16:32 (seven years ago) link