The nation may survive, but the wound to hope and order will never fully heal - US elections 2016: the october surprises

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I'd respect him and McConnell more if they just admitted "cos we want to keep a conservative Court"

the funny thing about this is the 8-member court is turning out to not be all that conservative

― Οὖτις

well, they lost on abortion, and lost big- but they refuse to admit it. any way you slice it, an 8-member court is probably going to be better for them than a 9-member court with scalia replaced by garland or anybody clinton would nominate.

there are two ways this goes for the republicans. either they leverage their congressional majority to get their way, or congress stops _mattering_. how many times can the congress threaten to send the us into default by not okaying interest payments before somebody steps in and says they can't do that anymore? and who's going to say they can't do that?

fat fingered algorithm (rushomancy), Monday, 17 October 2016 19:42 (seven years ago) link

Interesting wording here. God forbid putting women front and center.

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 14m14 minutes ago
New polls are good because the media has deceived the public by putting women front and center with made-up stories and lies, and got caught

jmm, Monday, 17 October 2016 19:45 (seven years ago) link

It's not just the Scalia vacancy, *someone* else is going to die or retire in the next session (likely as not), and how many times can a Republican Congress get away with not filling a seat? Once more? Twice?

GUNSHOW POOPHOLE (Phil D.), Monday, 17 October 2016 19:46 (seven years ago) link

im sure we'll get to find out

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 17 October 2016 19:50 (seven years ago) link

I wouldn't be surprised if the republicans in the senate planned to stonewall any replacement of the next supreme court retirement as well (if it's one of the liberal justices). I think they'd be happy to see a 7-member court

Dan S, Monday, 17 October 2016 19:54 (seven years ago) link

an 8-member court is probably going to be better for them than a 9-member court with scalia replaced by garland or anybody clinton would nominate.

agreed - their tactic is a rear-guard action

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 October 2016 19:57 (seven years ago) link

why even have 7 members? why not three? maybe just 2 would work

akm, Monday, 17 October 2016 20:00 (seven years ago) link

After RBG, Breyer and Kennedy are probably the next most likely to vacate their appointments one way or the other.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:02 (seven years ago) link

After RBG, Breyer and Kennedy are probably the next most likely to vacate their appointments one way or the other.

You underestimate HRC's ability to have conservative justices murdered.

speak bigly and carry a soft stick (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:06 (seven years ago) link

ok, i since i was curious i looked it up- the judiciary act of 1869 requires there to be nine supreme court justices. text is here:

http://www.fjc.gov/history/home.nsf/page/landmark_10_txt.html

the text says nothing about what happens if congress _doesn't_ do that- it's never come up. after lincoln's death, congress wouldn't let andrew johnson appoint any more supreme court justices, but they accomplished this through passing legislation, rather than simply ignoring the president's nominations.

ianal, but if a republican senate does as mccain suggests, i'm pretty sure the doj will have to sue them.

fat fingered algorithm (rushomancy), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:10 (seven years ago) link

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/788082197253292032

The NCGOP claims that completed absentee ballots were destroyed in the firebombing, which if true means the NCGOP was... committing a felony. Oops.

gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:11 (seven years ago) link

why is Trump doing so shitty in Alaska?

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 October 2016 20:14 (seven years ago) link

So in North Carolina at least, anyone in possession of any absentee ballot that is not their own is committing a felony?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 October 2016 20:16 (seven years ago) link

^^^ my question as well

sleeve, Monday, 17 October 2016 20:16 (seven years ago) link


The NCGOP claims that completed absentee ballots were destroyed in the firebombing, which if true means the NCGOP was... committing a felony. Oops.

amazing

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:18 (seven years ago) link

according to the pictures on that tweet, unless the NCGOP people were a relative or guardian, yeah xp

mh 😏, Monday, 17 October 2016 20:20 (seven years ago) link

New polls are good

he's not even cherrypicking data anymore, he's just saying shit in defiance of it.

like I struggle to think what poll he could be talking about other than the hilarious LA Times one, which has barely moved, or the trio of CNN state polls that painted a better pic for him, but those came alongside really terrible national polls including one which shows him down 12%, soooooooo...

Neanderthal, Monday, 17 October 2016 20:22 (seven years ago) link

The NCGOP claims that completed absentee ballots were destroyed in the firebombing, which if true means the NCGOP was... committing a felony. Oops.

if only someone would focus on voter fraud

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:24 (seven years ago) link

congress wouldn't let andrew johnson appoint any more supreme court justices, but they accomplished this through passing legislation, rather than simply ignoring the president's nomination

and they could ignore Johnson b/c the GOP had a veto-proof majority (I think that Congress holds the record for most veto overrides).

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:26 (seven years ago) link

lol people on the Hannity forum are arguing w/ each other over the felony thing

Neanderthal, Monday, 17 October 2016 20:30 (seven years ago) link

The original NBC News must have been edited at some point to include "(Weeks later clarified that the ballots were not stored at that office.)"

Still, no one is flatly denying that completed ballots are being stored by party officials.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:35 (seven years ago) link

why is Trump doing so shitty in Alaska?

My first guess was Mormons again, but that's only 4.5% of the pop. Any moves in Anchorage by a few points this way or that have a massive effect on the state as a whole.

El Tomboto, Monday, 17 October 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link

you can see russia from their porches and they don't like all this russia talk

mh 😏, Monday, 17 October 2016 20:45 (seven years ago) link

eh idk

marcos, Monday, 17 October 2016 20:54 (seven years ago) link

Cillizza is such a Chicken Little.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:54 (seven years ago) link

*yawn*

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 October 2016 20:54 (seven years ago) link

yeah it's not "BOMBSHELL" but still ugh emails

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:55 (seven years ago) link

guys the unsourced and unsubstantiated allegation is coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE

fat fingered algorithm (rushomancy), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:56 (seven years ago) link

The number of people outside of the right wing media bubble who even give two shits about since last year is negligible.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:57 (seven years ago) link

if u can read this without yr eyes glazing over you're a better citizen than me

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu-pIDfW8AEVtN_.jpg

Mordy, Monday, 17 October 2016 20:57 (seven years ago) link

Cillizza is such a Chicken Little jabbering fucking idiot.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:58 (seven years ago) link

buried in paragraph #1345

Now, simply because Kennedy asked for a quid pro quo regarding classification doesn't mean that Clinton asked him to do so. There's no evidence of that. There's also no evidence that Clinton had a conversation of any sort with Kennedy about his classification request. And it's important to remember that Kennedy is a career officer at State, having worked in the same administrative job for Condoleezza Rice prior to Clinton, so he's not exactly a partisan.

That said, this latest revelation adds more evidence to the "where there's smoke, there's fire" argument that Republicans have long made about Clinton's email setup

stfu Cilizza

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 October 2016 21:01 (seven years ago) link

It is completely 100% common practice and in fact customary to use interagency requests that get escalated to senior officials as venues and opportunities to remind counterparts that hey, that other thing, you gonna do anything with that? I mean these are phone calls that get planned for hours, you think we don't think up "oh and while you've got him, be sure and ask about X?" Jesus christ

El Tomboto, Monday, 17 October 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link

Poor Donald, the sweet young easily-led-astray innocent.

https://twitter.com/vplus/status/788123937607716864

Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 October 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link

I did not have grabbing relations with that pussy

speak bigly and carry a soft stick (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 17 October 2016 21:16 (seven years ago) link

he just wanted to show how butch he was for noted man's man billy bush

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 17 October 2016 21:17 (seven years ago) link

Billy Bush made me smoke a cigarette this one time

lol

Their all losers and I like associating with loser (Dan Peterson), Monday, 17 October 2016 21:19 (seven years ago) link

Okay so you know how absentee ballots generally are presumed to favor the GOP?

https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/788124948179120128

Downthread comment:

Early voting hasn't started yet in Florida - these are absentee numbers, which Republicans always lead. Usually Rs get a lead with absentees, Dems make some of it up with earlys, and then make the rest up (or don't!) on e-day

And as you can see, this is currently not the case.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 October 2016 21:19 (seven years ago) link

how do they know who the absentee ballots voted for?? i always assumed they remained sealed until election day. is it possible we could know who won the election before the 8th?

Mordy, Monday, 17 October 2016 21:21 (seven years ago) link

i heard billy bush peer-pressured don into trying tic tacs

gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Monday, 17 October 2016 21:22 (seven years ago) link

Don was all like, "No way man, Altoids all the way!"

a full playlist of presidential sex jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 17 October 2016 21:23 (seven years ago) link

No, that was Little Marco xps

http://www.sj-r.com/storyimage/LS/20160213/NEWS/160219782/AR/0/AR-160219782.jpg

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 17 October 2016 21:27 (seven years ago) link

It's the most wonderful time of the year, Mr. Soto. (Tomorrow's the final day for registration, yes?)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 October 2016 21:27 (seven years ago) link

marc maron ‏@marcmaron 34m34 minutes ago

These Wikileaks emails really do make a solid case that the democrats have finally gotten their shit together.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 17 October 2016 21:28 (seven years ago) link

xpost We don't know how they voted, but we do know what party they are registered as, right? So we can surmise.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 October 2016 21:38 (seven years ago) link

Why, my heart bleeds for him!

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/788122106764599296

Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 October 2016 21:56 (seven years ago) link


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