Katrina's aftermath

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It's a mix of that and WWL, mostly the latter as they more quickly update. Both are the best media sources right this second, it seems.

Yes, Baton Rouge. They evacuated there early yesterday.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

Mad Max-on-water would be, what? Waterworld? both the cops and the looters already have plenty of guns, how long before they start modding boats?

say, anybody remember hearing two years ago about how, due to the shortage of armor, U.S. troops in Iraq were being allowed to "modify" humvees? i read rumors about how some of them took the opportunity to do full-on Mad Max jobs, but I never saw any photos of the results(assuming they'd ever get published).

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

now cnn viewers are writing in to whine about all the countries that owe us favors.

stckhlm cnd (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

Its only a matter of time before we start to see technicals appear. Then there's gonna be some shit.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

but christ, folks really are in a post-apocalyptic world down there now, aren't they? i wonder how the theories about how humanity would react(e.g. a reverting to tribalism) are playing out...

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

Ever wonder what would happen in a world suddenly plunged into anarchy? Well, now you know. Again. I wonder how this will affect anarcho-syndicalist theory.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

Was just watching CNN while waiting for takeout and they were posting viewer e-mails discussing international suppourt. Allow me to paraphrase,

"I can't wait to see the S. Korean Army on the streets of New Orleans keeping the peace."

"I for one think the Bush family and the Saudis should come help. After all, they have our Rent-A-Army over there..."

Now, this says to me that the viewers are very cynical. It also suggests that these are the only e-mails CNN has to run, which means that much of the country is a negative nancy when it comes to the Bush admin. and the prospect of foreign help...

The Original Jimmy Mod: Waiting for the return of the Lohan's titties (The Famo, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

Russians are helping their own in Texas, at least.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

also, from a comment on the LJ post about the armed goths mentioned upthread:

Official Search and Rescue Center at the Louisiana Office of Emergency Preparedness

[...]

Cell phone communication is extremely limited, but Text messaging on Verizon, Cingular and Sprint networks appear to be working.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

CNN reporting that some gas stations in Atlanta are charging $4.99 a gallon. That's where people should be looting.

Huh, guess where I have plans to be this weekend?

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

And over at NRO world Dreher finally unloads:

Well, let me join the dogpile. The more I think about that miserable laundry-list speech of his, the madder it makes me. I've been watching cable news and WWL's online stream for the past few days, and Bush's speech was as canned and unrealistic as if it had been phoned in from Mars. All day long, stories of incredible suffering, armed mobs of looters roaming the streets, babies and their mothers in desperate conditions ... and the president rattles off a policy speech in which he stops to thank a Texas county executive? Pod's right: the continued viability of his presidency depends on how he handles this thing. It will take nothing for the "Bush doesn't care" meme to circulate through the culture, especially as desperate Louisiana people start to grumble about all the Louisiana National Guardsmen serving over in Iraq instead of helping their own families and neighbors who have nothing.

They're running a couple of letters from people trying to argue differently almost as if they're fishing for them. It's a bizarre meltdown.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

In NJ today I saw a price difference of more than 40 cents a gallon within a few miles. It's obvious that there's some profiteering going on here, which is rather despicable.

Bad conclusion. Imagine two gas stations across the street from one another. One selling unleaded for $2.49, the other selling unleaded for $2.79. Is the second one price-gouging? No. What happened is the first station is still selling the gas they bought four days ago. The second station ran out of the supply of gas they bought five days ago, and had to buy more gas yesterday. Gas prices went up 30 cents the day before yesterday, so the second station has to sell their gas for 30 cents more a gallon to clear the same profit.

That's not even taking into account the normal variation in price depending on location. Gas stations don't all pay the same rent just because they all sell gas.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

Bush in acting like Bush shockah!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

but christ, folks really are in a post-apocalyptic world down there now, aren't they? i wonder how the theories about how humanity would react(e.g. a reverting to tribalism) are playing out...

Subtract the water, and rewind to April 29th, 1992...
The place is Los Angeles.

http://images.ibsys.com/2002/0426/1420892.jpg

"Hi, ny name is Reginald De... OW!"

donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

Granted, the death toll from the L.A. Rodney King trail riots was FAR far less... so I'm not trying to equate the two.. but just sayin' that this isn't the first time America has had the "wow, it must be apocalyptic down there" gaze before.

donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:05 (twenty years ago)

Not to mention the even more intense Watts fires from decades before... Kent State 1970, etc.

donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)

And oh yeah, New York City, September 11th, 2001.

donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

i think this is the first time since the Chicago Fire in 1871 that an entire city might essentially be destroyed however

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

sorry but posting that russian story as a sort of "selfish bastards" thing is fucking dumb. consulates and embassies release similar notices concerning nationals that they are responsible for following any major incident in a foreign country. just cos someone on an email list trawled thru russian news agency sites or it got posted on a blog doesnt mean its significant or newsworthy.

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

WWL is showing that people stole a milk truck and two postal service vehicles to drive out, and were apparently arrested. Shit, I don't know how to feel about that. Would you try them for a felony?

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

how are they currently apprehending criminals?

stckhlm cnd (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, I just heard assorted Weekly Standard editors crowing about how THEY paid their insurance so why should anyone give a fuck about or help people who choose to live in low lying cities or on/near fault lines.

Jesus, you look under the lowest sewer and they're still somewhere beneath, smirking.

Ian in Brooklyn, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

>how are they currently apprehending criminals?<

They hit the freeway and were stopped by police. There was a wheelchair on top.

I'm sorry, I'd have to let them go. Its not like the USPS is expecting to get those back.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)

i think this is the first time since the Chicago Fire in 1871 that an entire city might essentially be destroyed however

http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/info/1906/images/damage6.jpg

*COUGH*

The Original Jimmy Mod: Waiting for the return of the Lohan's titties (The Famo, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

alright, that one too. and i want to amend that to "american city", since obviously Japan and Europe were razed to the ground wholesale in places.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

in WW2

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

the main concern of mine with the looting is all the guns people have stolen. even if they don't use them, they should be punished somehow -- that's a serious crime.

stckhlm cnd (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)

Watching the Interdictor feed, you can see larger groups of people now just walking, possibly looking for dry ground and just to get away from the city. The small trickles are moving to groups of 6-10, walking by regularly.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)

The tough part with punishing those people is to find out what guns were taken and where they are.

edit: the governor of the Parish of St. Bernard is begging on WWL for help from anyone for boats, food, and water. Its horrifying.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

Mentioned upthread, but Anchorage, Alaska got levelled by the Prince William Sound Earthquake in 1964. Not really a large city at the time, sure..

This, however, is probably the first time most of us have seen an American city undergo attrition due to natural causes in our lifetimes, though.

donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

"natural" = weather & seismic related phenomena

donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

We have an inside source in the NOPD who says that command and control is in chaos. He reports that command lapses more than 24 hours between check-ins, and that most of the force are "like deer in the headlights."

i am sorry but that just about gave me a heart attack. can you imagine?

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

take notes - this is probably what it will be like when a dirty bomb goes off in a major city.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:58 (twenty years ago)

that's sort of what Ted Koppel said to close out Nightline last night. grim but true, probably.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

Anyone else see something from the PM (or something) of the Netherlands (also mostly below sea limit), crowing about their superior pump system? Even if he's right, I mean, jeez.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)

That doesn't sound right to me. From what I know of a dirty bomb, the bomb itself wouldn't be big enough to cause a lot of destruction. It's the radioactive shrapnel that would cause the evacuations. I have the impression that a dirty bomb evacuation would probably be closer to the day of 9/11 than Katrina.

recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

So, it's a special case there, much to the misery of driving Atlantans' wallets.

I had to go to a doctor's appointment in Atlanta today, and it took me three hours to drive back to my suburban home (it normally takes 20-30 minutes!) thanks to people lining up at gas stations like it's 1973

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

The news in San Francisco this morning showed people filling up their SUVs with grimaces on their faces. The anchorwoman said people are budgeting for the same amount for gas, but will be eating less/cheaper.

Makes sense.

recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

The Netherlands doesn't have hurricanes crashing into its shores. That's a big time heel move. I still love his country though.

The dirty bomb would be nothing like this. No one would stay. They'd just get the fuck out pronto before dying. There's really no terrorist comparison to this, short of a city getting 24 hours warning that it was going to be destroyed in some way, and then the terrorists went ahead and destroyed it.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 23:11 (twenty years ago)

I work at a radio station. The show that I produce is usually a sports show, but today, with the Little Rock area becoming a refuge destination, we basically spent three hours reading phone numbers for food banks and refuge centers.

I just got off the phone with a guy who evacuated with three other families from Jefferson Parish. They planned to be gone for three days. Now, it's three months. He was pretty level-headed, but I could tell that he could see a breaking point somewhere distantly in the horizon.

He knows that he's lucky. He's out of town and he's got a room at a hotel. But the money has to be watched. He described how he and his family went and hung out at the mall for the afternoon, just to get away from the hotel room and television. How surreal it was to be standing around the food court of some mall in North Little Rock while his home was underwater.

And he's got weeks of this, at least, to look forward to. I asked him what else besides food and shelter he and his fellow refugees might need, and his immediate answer was JOBS. Jobs so that the immediate money worry wouldn't be so bad, but also to alleviate boredom. To feel like a human.

I didn't know what to tell him. I felt like I was watching someone about to choke and I don't know CPR. I know about the property damage and the rescue costs and of course all of the lives that have been lost, but there's also going to be some emotionally torn people all over this country for quite some time. I just wonder how we all are going to deal with this.

Merry Christmas.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)

omg. who is this N4ancy Gr4ce on CNN Headline News??! Her show keeps having a countdown in the corner showing when they'll return to coverage of the Missing Teen in Aruba...

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)

Nancy Grace is the devil. They moved her over there to try and keep CNN away from the garbage shows and stay on hard news (which was utterly brilliant and I love love love it). She's basically useless as a human being.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)

Anyone else see something from the PM (or something) of the Netherlands (also mostly below sea limit), crowing about their superior pump system? Even if he's right, I mean, jeez.

dear netherlands: send us your best pump-building manpower.

stckhlm cnd (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

President Bush flew over the ravaged city and parts of Mississippi's hurricane-blasted coastline in Air Force One. Turning to his aides, he said: "It's totally wiped out. ... It's devastating, it's got to be doubly devastating on the ground."

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

WWL: Mayor of New Orleans has declared Martial Law in Orleans Parish: "We won't have to worry about civil rights, or reading Miranda rights."

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 23:35 (twenty years ago)

oh good.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 23:35 (twenty years ago)

xpost

TWO TIMES!

The Original Jimmy Mod: Waiting for the return of the Lohan's titties (The Famo, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)

haha "on the ground" = nine feet below the water level!

stckhlm cnd (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

"This tragedy is like the worst I've ever seen. Times two or something."

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

water is so devastating-looking from the air.

stckhlm cnd (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)


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