Free Speech and Creepy Liberalism

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but there are lots of techniques for being more sensitive to their concerns!

j., Monday, 12 September 2016 03:34 (nine years ago)

https://medium.com/@ethnicstudies198/an-open-letter-to-the-uc-berkeley-administration-regarding-academic-freedom-1bf60c9a040e#.b4zy83fk8

The decision to suspend Ethnic Studies 198: Palestine: A Settler Colonial Analysis is a violation of our academic freedom. This is an alarming development to have transpire on the same campus that not only hosted the Free Speech Movement, but which also routinely claims and utilizes the same Movement’s legacy to market itself as a world-class institution, a bastion of tolerance and diversity, and the site of intellectual inquiry — inquiry that is sometimes discomforting, but always enriching. Your decision constitutes nothing less than an act of discrimination against students who wanted to debate and discuss this contentious issue in a spirit of genuine sincerity, mutual respect, and open-minded curiosity.

j., Friday, 16 September 2016 02:39 (nine years ago)

i thought it sounded like shit from the course description but what i really wanted to know is since when do colleges offer classes for credits taught by undergrads? that's bullshit.

Mordy, Friday, 16 September 2016 02:43 (nine years ago)

Oh, this is the first time I'm hearing about this DeCal business. That is bizarre, you're right.

Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Friday, 16 September 2016 02:58 (nine years ago)

i was involved in the program and had friends who were. they're only for a few credits and don't count towards core or departmental requirements, so they're really extra fluff around the edges and have a loooong history at cal going back to the 60s. also giving undergrads an opportunity to organize and teach is a good thing imho.

rip my mensches (s.clover), Monday, 26 September 2016 04:46 (nine years ago)

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/09/do-i-have-to-call-my-co-workers-boyfriend-her-master.html

i dunno the ground seems pretty shaky here

j., Wednesday, 28 September 2016 23:28 (nine years ago)

Shakey Co mollifier

poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 23:31 (nine years ago)

Lol

Treeship, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 23:59 (nine years ago)

“will your master be at the end-of-summer barbecue?”

goole, Thursday, 29 September 2016 17:20 (nine years ago)

man this one has it all: trump, vandalism, protests, adminstrative support of free speech in abstract, safe spaces, mention of a "bias incident team"

http://www.mndaily.com/article/2016/10/protesters-gather-to-oppose-mural

goole, Monday, 3 October 2016 20:12 (nine years ago)

do they have one of those little golf carts like the people who refill the dry erase markers and reboot projectors

j., Monday, 3 October 2016 20:13 (nine years ago)

sadly article does not mention 'collge republicans'

j., Monday, 3 October 2016 20:15 (nine years ago)

Paul Blart: Bias Incident Cop

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 3 October 2016 20:15 (nine years ago)

has this li'l detail made it into media? from a campus email ~to which i am privy~

Next to the panel for a Latino-based multicultural fraternity was the painting “Build the Wall” by another student group, the Minnesota College Republicans.

phrased with strange passivity as well

goole, Monday, 3 October 2016 20:18 (nine years ago)

he condemned the vandalization of the painting and said the campus supports all types of free speech

florence foster wallace (difficult listening hour), Monday, 3 October 2016 20:20 (nine years ago)

a painting

fuckin john singer sargeant over here

j., Monday, 3 October 2016 20:22 (nine years ago)

http://www.theonion.com/article/college-encourages-lively-exchange-of-idea-38496

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 17 October 2016 18:06 (nine years ago)

two weeks pass...

more 'free speech incidents' around here

david horowitz group puts up posters specifically naming students & faculty active in BDS as hamas supporters

http://alphanewsmn.com/poster-campaign-university-minnesota-claims-student-group-front-hamas/

(note -- this website is right wing but it does reproduce the posters which other sites aren't doing)

muslim student association sign defaced with "isis"

http://www.twincities.com/2016/11/03/umn-isis-washington-avenue-bridge-vandalism-muslim-student-association-panel/

both in the last 48 hours

goole, Thursday, 3 November 2016 20:23 (nine years ago)

the U's administration has condemned both

goole, Thursday, 3 November 2016 20:24 (nine years ago)

apparently horowitz pulled this stunt on a bunch of campuses this week. what a creep.

goole, Thursday, 3 November 2016 20:29 (nine years ago)

hamas' puppeteering skills must be next-level

j., Thursday, 3 November 2016 20:50 (nine years ago)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/04/sports/harvard-mens-soccer-season-canceled.html

j., Friday, 4 November 2016 02:04 (nine years ago)

Sure this is the right thread for this, j?

Frederik B, Friday, 4 November 2016 02:13 (nine years ago)

i'm sure you'll tell me either way

j., Friday, 4 November 2016 02:19 (nine years ago)

You think sexual harassment is a free speech issue?

Frederik B, Friday, 4 November 2016 02:52 (nine years ago)

you think this was sexual harassment?

j., Friday, 4 November 2016 03:15 (nine years ago)

How on earth is this not?

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 4 November 2016 09:03 (nine years ago)

i think victims of harassment have to know it's going on?

j., Friday, 4 November 2016 15:44 (nine years ago)

if my own college exp is anything to go by (lo these many years past) frats and men's sports teams putting together 'bang books' like these is pretty common! can't really fathom the impulse to, like, systematize, write down and then publish your locker room talk. but then again i stayed out of locker rooms entirely until i was in my 30s.

this almost exact thing happened when i was in (small private liberal arts) school. a photocopy of something like this, pics and ratings and comments, leaked. it was a big school controversy but iirc nobody really got punished? maybe some kind of forced apology, then a campus workshop day on women's issues. cancelling the team's season is awesome, shows some guts from the administration.

there is the odd practice of punishing kids within a sport for non-sports related infractions they did -- which leads to some really messed up thinking if the acts become criminal. like, thanks for victimizing me, your 4 game suspension or w/e doesn't really address my life at all.

goole, Friday, 4 November 2016 16:27 (nine years ago)

xp so it's only a problem when people don't know about it?

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 4 November 2016 16:51 (nine years ago)

i think you mean 'do', and obviously that doesn't follow. the question is what 'it' is.

j., Friday, 4 November 2016 16:59 (nine years ago)

It's not really non-sports related, it was fellow members of the soccer program they treated this way.

Frederik B, Friday, 4 November 2016 17:10 (nine years ago)

j., read the damn article that you posted, the people in the "book" did have knowledge it was going on.

intheblanks, Friday, 4 November 2016 17:20 (nine years ago)

beyond that, the idea that knowledge of it could have been contained and remain is so laughable as to be totally moot

intheblanks, Friday, 4 November 2016 17:23 (nine years ago)

xp four years after the fact

j., Friday, 4 November 2016 17:24 (nine years ago)

i'd be shocked if this is the first recruiting group of women's players to know about the book, it seems way more likely that tolerance for this kind of bullshit is thankfully dropping

intheblanks, Friday, 4 November 2016 17:24 (nine years ago)

j you are a shithead. it has been happening every year since 2012.

harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Friday, 4 November 2016 17:25 (nine years ago)

or since at least 2012

harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Friday, 4 November 2016 17:25 (nine years ago)

and it got out, and the players who were "rated", commented on, and given a "position" have seen it

harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Friday, 4 November 2016 17:26 (nine years ago)

doesn't fit into this thread at all

harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Friday, 4 November 2016 17:26 (nine years ago)

you guys sure turn into morons when you think you're being opposed in your moral condemnations

j., Friday, 4 November 2016 17:26 (nine years ago)

lol sure dude

intheblanks, Friday, 4 November 2016 17:28 (nine years ago)

good luck caping for guys who make bangbooks in the future

intheblanks, Friday, 4 November 2016 17:28 (nine years ago)

can't really fathom the impulse to, like, systematize, write down and then publish your locker room talk.

It's sort of a natural extension of the '1-10' game, the impulse to quantify and compare and the impulse to document your preferences.

jmm, Friday, 4 November 2016 17:33 (nine years ago)

if only there was a nearby messageboard that might demonstrate the popularity of this impulse

more fun than an Acclaimed Music poll (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 November 2016 17:37 (nine years ago)

i don't think the documentarian or quantifying impulses are involved (except insofar as they are caught up in a competitive spirit that bleeds over from the intended activity of the team) so much as is a folk-traditional impulse that is probably common to a lot of sub-institutional social groupings in settings like colleges and schools, where there is a high degree of turnover, thus a low degree of institutional memory and a tendency to dissipation of the group's achievement-enhancing potential.

the academic article on microagressions and 'cultures of victimhood' that made the rounds last year distinguishes between cultures of honor, dignity, and (they claim) victimhood (there was an l.a. times reply that countered this with a culture of solidarity). the behavior internal to the men's team was clearly an outgrowth/undergrowth of honor culture, and it seems like for the most part the school's cancellation of their season is consistent with motives and reasons that are a part of sports' residual honor culture: the punishment is to lose the chance to achieve and the status that comes from it, and the reason for the punishment is that on a variety of levels the team members' behavior was dishonorable. not that it was harmful in any superficially perceptible way (maybe on their own characters, on the continuation of the team culture), or disrespectful (somehow, for sure, but in an indirect enough way that consequentialist pleading gets back into the picture, and anyone inclined toward respect-talk could just say that they certainly never would have talked this way TO anyone), but that it mars the status of the players and anyone who's getting vicarious honor from them. which maybe accounts for the very natural non-sports/sports transition made in the institution's punitive move.

i think the women's team's letter mostly recognized this, too. there's some move toward employing dignity- and respect-talk (the authors of that academic paper use a sociological frame to look for instances of any form of social control, including ways for offended or injured parties to make appeals to broader constituencies, in order to try to distinguish between the ways they function, and that kind of appeal seems to be at play in the letter), but mostly they use honor-culture language, like you would expect from athletes and high academic achievers, to vindicate their no-lesser status. their parting shot is in the same register: you will never win me (or, less prominently, they remain unaffected: a more stoic undercurrent).

j., Friday, 4 November 2016 18:19 (nine years ago)

It's not really non-sports related, it was fellow members of the soccer program they treated this way.

― Frederik B, Friday, November 4, 2016 12:10 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

by 'non-sports related' i mean the team was penalized in terms of their play for things they did off-field.

goole, Friday, 4 November 2016 19:02 (nine years ago)

which in a way seems really inadequate to me! if just some dudes in a dorm with no other activity or affiliation put together a book like this, how would they be punished? what do they 'have' that the school could take from them? would they be expelled? would it be referred to law enforcement?

but since these were athletes, they 'have' this extra thing -- playing on the team -- that the school can then remove as punishment, and the community at large just sort of deems this as just.

goole, Friday, 4 November 2016 19:04 (nine years ago)

j do you have that article handy? idk i'm not buying this 'honor culture' stuff off the bat

goole, Friday, 4 November 2016 19:06 (nine years ago)


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