I don't get iatee's solution - lotus + tomb is 5 mana, but charge,cleave,strike and fugitive is 6.
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 14:48 (eight years ago) link
Wait, ignore that, no it isn't!
GOOD JOBBE
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 14:50 (eight years ago) link
feel like there's a way to do iatee's solution with Lost Leonin for B but i haven't worked out the details yet
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:07 (eight years ago) link
my favorite magic puzzle was the t1 kill using only cards from scars of mirrodin block (you can stack your deck)
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:14 (eight years ago) link
I'm close to a legacy solution with:
pact of the titan (red) + cloud of the dominus (blue) + tainted strike (black)+ mutagenic growth (green)+ strength of arms (white)
but I can't get WUB or WRB with a land and an artifact. I think pact + cloud of the dominus is a good route though.
― iatee, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:17 (eight years ago) link
ciderpress - on the play?
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:21 (eight years ago) link
yes, on the play. you have 7 cards to work with
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:24 (eight years ago) link
the 4x card limit applies obviously, or you could just reveal 7 chancellor of the dross and be on your way
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:26 (eight years ago) link
Invigorate can factor in as well
As a matter of fact I once devised a turn 1 kill using ONLY cards from the set Mercadian Masques. Bet you can't figure it out. It's really dumb though and has a massive asterisk next to it.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:28 (eight years ago) link
okay invigorate is what I needed actually
pact of the titan (red) + tainted strike (black)+ cloud of the dominus (blue) + invigorate (green)+ marrow shards (white)taigalotus petal
play taiga lotus petal, petal for B, taiga for Rpact for 4/4 (BR)cloud on the 4/4, it's a 5/5 haste (B)tained strike, it's a 6/5 haste infectinvigorate, it's a 10/9 haste infectcast marrow shards cause it's a free white card
― iatee, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:33 (eight years ago) link
apparently clout of the dominus not cloud
― iatee, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:36 (eight years ago) link
this gearhulk cycle seems pretty pushed, i guess they wanted new titans?
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:41 (eight years ago) link
yeah the blue one seems ridiculous, just an insanely ratcheted up Snapcaster (at 3x the mana cost, but whatever)
they seem to be playing fast n' loose with some of these effects. I've seen a lot of cards that let you bypass mana costs and a decent number of cards that seem to reward you for playing cards that are already good. Seems dangerous!!!
also lol @ Dwarf Nighthawk, looking forward to that total pain in the ass in Limited
― frogbs, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 20:23 (eight years ago) link
http://magic.wizards.com/en/MTGO/articles/archive/magic-online/announcing-full-innistrad-sealed-league-2016-09-07
this sounds cool
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 17:04 (eight years ago) link
they did something like that for ravnica and it only served to highlight just how much has changed since the older sets - you basically ended up playing the spells from the old block and the creatures from the new one. i'd expect something similar to happen here though not as drastic
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 17:52 (eight years ago) link
interesting. that makes sense.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 18:08 (eight years ago) link
also obviously there's the issue where old innistrad has no discard outlets or payoffs and SOI has almost no sacrifice outlets so you're spread thin on some of the major mechanical themes
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 18:15 (eight years ago) link
yeah it probably won't play the best but I love these weird limited formats so I'll do one or two
― frogbs, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 20:43 (eight years ago) link
Pay 50 life: Aetherfux Reservoir deals 50 damage to target creature or player.
^^^^ now my favorite line of text on a Magic card
― frogbs, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 20:45 (eight years ago) link
that card is a fun design. by my calc you can kill with a "storm count" of 8?
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 20:54 (eight years ago) link
the "creature" bit is what makes it
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 20:54 (eight years ago) link
yeah I'm really amused by that
I know where it comes from too. I remember MaRo saying the design team really wanted the wording "destroy target creature or player" on Door to Nothingness and were disappointed when the rules team told them it wouldn't work. So, here you go
― frogbs, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 21:59 (eight years ago) link
Boros Reckoner combo, innit
― Vinnie, Thursday, 8 September 2016 02:24 (eight years ago) link
oh man draft leagues are here, time to get hopelessly addicted to MTGO again
― frogbs, Thursday, 8 September 2016 02:32 (eight years ago) link
anyway yeah so playing matches outside your draft pod is definitely a little odd. my first match was basically a mirror vs. someone who happened to have the exact same rares I had. haven't seen that before in a draft.
― frogbs, Thursday, 8 September 2016 14:58 (eight years ago) link
i've seen that in normal drafts, though due to collation it's certainly less likely IRL
― ciderpress, Thursday, 8 September 2016 15:05 (eight years ago) link
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Did this today and it was super fun! I wasted looooads of time on trarfvf jnir vagb 2k cherfgrry cnynqvaf vagb nppbeqre fuvryqf vagb fbzr fbeg bs gjvfgrq vzntr xvyy, naq nyfb nobhg inevbhf arpebgvp bbmr yvarf vaibyivat fbzr pbzovangvba bs fbyvgba, xhyqbgun sbetrznfgre, zbygrafgrry qentba naq vasrpg fbhy-rngre, but I couldn't quite make any of them work - I always seemed to be one card short. In the end the solution was more realistic!
I might try the masques block one now.
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Thursday, 8 September 2016 19:35 (eight years ago) link
i'm now curious whether you came up with the same solution as mine or if there's another one out there
here's how i did it (spoilers): https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8908599
― ciderpress, Thursday, 8 September 2016 22:15 (eight years ago) link
Oh wow, that's not mine at all! I didn't even find that card - I did:
https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8908612
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Thursday, 8 September 2016 23:18 (eight years ago) link
there really seem to be a ton of great and interesting designs among these previews
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 9 September 2016 17:33 (eight years ago) link
yeah this set looks great, though as always its very hard to figure out how it will actually play until next friday when we see all the commons/uncommons that weren't exciting enough to preview
― ciderpress, Friday, 9 September 2016 17:41 (eight years ago) link
Energy in particular is really cool. It's hard for me to separate the fact that the set seems full of exciting cards from the fact that the power level seems, like, super crazy high.
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Saturday, 10 September 2016 02:26 (eight years ago) link
the power level below mythic rare doesn't seem abnormally high to me other than Voltaic Brawler. but yeah those gearhulks and planeswalkers are all strong
― ciderpress, Saturday, 10 September 2016 02:40 (eight years ago) link
So what stuff from current standard should we be hording for rotation?
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Saturday, 10 September 2016 05:17 (eight years ago) link
finally a blue card that feels like it's trying: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsKxu2-UEAAlPtX.png
― ciderpress, Monday, 12 September 2016 18:33 (eight years ago) link
uhhh what is this about Mana Crypt being back
― frogbs, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:01 (eight years ago) link
it's part of "Kaladesh Inventions" which are basically the same thing as the zendikar expeditions but for artifacts instead of lands
― ciderpress, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:05 (eight years ago) link
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/masterpiece-series-2016-09-12
tldr: they're doing the ultra-rare special frame foils thing in every set going forward, each time with some new subset of cards that thematically fits the set. so for this block it's artifacts.
― ciderpress, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:17 (eight years ago) link
really awesome idea though sadly the presence of the Reserved List nerfs this a bit
― frogbs, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:21 (eight years ago) link
54 seems like a lot. i have half a dozen expeditions sitting on my mtgo account but they are all the bottom of the rung $2 cards. maybe they will appreciate over time? seems like there isn't necessarily a premium market for quite all of the cards they are going to issue this way. i guess i am just hoping there is a run on sunken ruins at some point.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:22 (eight years ago) link
xp like always. but this is a really good thing for pretty much all players since it brings down the price of standard cards (in the article Maro lists this as a major driver of the decision to do these, i guess they liked what they saw in BFZ)
― ciderpress, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:23 (eight years ago) link
MTGO has separate issues from paper magic in this domain - people do not care about 'blinging' out decks on MTGO so foils aren't worth more than the regular versions of the cards even when they're a lot rarer. also MTGO has a much higher ratio of limited to constructed play than paper magic.
― ciderpress, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:25 (eight years ago) link
not sure if I quite get why it'll have a measurable impact on Standard - is it because people will buy more packs?
I can totally see a big gap between paper/online values of these though. These cards just look awesome and that doesn't really translate well to the computer screen.
― frogbs, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:27 (eight years ago) link
e.g. paper sunken ruins expedition is selling for $40 even though it hasn't been played in any constructed deck on my radar in the past 4 years
― ciderpress, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:27 (eight years ago) link
eh that makes a lot of sense
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:29 (eight years ago) link
I like having these in every set. It can be exciting to open them and give you some good value, but there isn't pressure to collect them since they aren't required for any deck. Taking the price burden off of Standard staples is definitely welcome.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 12 September 2016 19:35 (eight years ago) link
ok can someone explain why it takes the price burden off Standard staples. does it have something to do with how the value of every card in the set times the frequency they get opened cannot exceed some number due to market forces or what
― frogbs, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:36 (eight years ago) link
xp basically due to sets being printed to demand, the average value of cards in a booster box is fixed, which means adding a bunch of high value cards to the potential pool of opens brings everything else down
― ciderpress, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:38 (eight years ago) link
you see the effects of this pretty clearly in sets with high demand reprints like the fetchlands in khans - a lot of standard cards from those sets were close to bulk rares even during their run in standard, and a lot of the mythics that would normally have been $10+ were closer to $5 just because the fetchlands 'sucked up' so much of the set value from the other cards
― ciderpress, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:45 (eight years ago) link