A thread for Stranger Things, the "Goonies meets X-Files" new Netflix series (with SPOILERS!)

isolated incidents! the 90's went straight to the 40's and never looked back.

I agree w you actually (70s nostalgia was the thing in the 90s)

Right, and "Buddy Holly" was nostalgia for the 70s' nostalgia for the 50s

I don't think the 90s are ever going to be a cultural ground zero like the 80s (or the 60s) are for a lot of people. Like the 70s, the 90s strike me as building on (or reacting against) stuff that happened in the previous decade -- tbh, I always thought the 90s were cooler than the 80s, but too much happened in the 80s that affected (and in a lot of ways invented) modern life as we know it.

Not to say you can't have nostalgia, but I think it ends there for the 90s. IMO the 80s is "important" to a lot of people in a way that the 90s just aren't.

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building on (or reacting against) stuff that happened in the previous decade

come on, this is every decade

90s is peak rap, dawn of the internet, raves, the Simpsons, Tarantino, blah blah blah

it is, but I mean to say that a large part of its identity is building on things that began in the 70s. Which is different than my perception of the 60s, which is that it destroyed and completely rebuilt things from the 50s and earlier. Paradigm shift? That's pretentious, but you know what I mean. I don't really see the same kind of shift in the 70s or the 90s -- both decades seem transitional to me (as much as, like I say, I personally relate to those decades more than 60s/80s overall).

yeah, but "rap" as a phenomenon was essentially 80s-birthed (yes, I realize its roots were in the 70s, but culturally speaking, it wasn't a force until the 80s). Simpsons started in the 80s! Raves played a kind of music that, again tho actually w/roots in the 70s, didn't really happen until the 80s. I guess you are saying the events themselves are an enduring artifact of the 90s? Maybe so, in the same way festival rock concerts are (tho of course Woodstock).

Tarantino is a good example of a 90s phenomenon -- though I would argue his kind of art, that of reference (and even self-reference) and synthesis of previous works/styles is not something that began in the 90s. Not saying 90s didn't have awesome art or things that endure in our lives, I'm saying it doesn't seem to have left a cultural imprint on today in the same way the 80s did.

i'm kinda good with 1964 to 1984. like if i had to live on it. i could live on it. wait, i kinda do...

i mean its infinite as far as art goes. 20 years!

I can't wait for '30s nostalgia towards the '10s' reappropriation of the '80s.

Guys, '90s revival is definitely a thing in the '10s.

Seinfeld, old Simpsons, King of the Hill, X-Files, Twin Peaks, Windows 95 aesthetics very much a part of the hip yooth lexicon these days, yeah.

Celph Titled centered a whole album around it

Misspelling words like "yooth" also part of it too tbh

xp to self

Right, unlike most decade revivals where one replaces the last, the 80s and 90s revivals have been coexisting in equal measure for at least the last five years, if not longer.

in just two years we will get the massive 20th anniversary of electroclash oral history on Pitchfork.

Thing is 90s nostalgia is still relatively vanguard while we've hit near mainstream peak with the 80s stuff thanks to Stranger Things and the onslaught of the neon/lazer/Miami Vice element over the past several years. 80s stuff's still got a good few more years before 90s kids get the money to make movies and TV shows and then repeat cycle.

Guy I work with is 23, former Rhymesayers intern and is obsessed with Seinfeld, has a Kramer bobblehead on his desk

I experienced all but 11 months of the 80s and im having 80s nostalgia of the Miami Vice-esque variety these days cos im sad i never got to gun run, do coke, and get in car chases as a kid

That didnt happen til the 00s

Everytime I go out I'm forced into a conversation about this show and I'm looking forward to that not happening anymore.

Also I'm gonna say that I think ET captures the profound strangeness of confused childhood better than any movie ever and that's part of my hostility towards this thing that does the motions but misses the spirit.

Wah

emily otm. carbon copies and outright covers of 90s house tracks have been all over the charts for like 4 years now. craig david's back! and acts like little mix doing straight up TLC jams. i agree that cold 80s synths will always be with us. also agree about how 80s and 90s revivalism are running in parallel.

at least the whole 50's rockabilly malt shop stuff died out in the 90's

There's still a huge rockabilly/"pin up girl" subculture thing going on. Pinterest and Instagram are full of that shit.

i think scott meant as a mainstream thing. stray cats, levi's ads with big 50s cars in them. happy days ffs. these days if the mainstream goes back to a pre sexual revolution era it's the early 60s they're in love with for some reason.

lotta overlap there though - American Graffiti is set in '62 for example. But yeah, you wouldn't know that from the characterizations of the "Mad Men Era." Maybe a matter of urban vs. suburban early 60s or something.

90's revival is real & monolithic atm. department stores women's sections are full of ugly plaid & crotcheted 90's via 70's cardigans & horrific leather trimmed floral print backpacks

also i keep hearing all this new music at the coffee shop that sounds like Hole. some of it is Courtney Barnett, I think, but not all of it. plus a teenage band called Snail Mail that sounds very Matador/Kill Rock Stars i think. they sound pretty good!

so many Matador-esque guitar bands out there.

i feel like all of them played at my store last year...

This was so much fun, you guys! Although I am REALLY MAD that they played that fucking Moby song at the end and now the lyrics are stuck in my head, ugggh god. When it's Moby I'd like to die.

I loved the one-month-later D&D scene when Dustin complains about the campaign being too short and not making any sense.
Then he goes "What about the lost knight and the proud princess and those flowers in the cave?" and I'm not sure they could have laid it on any thicker. Everything in this show was exactly dumb and serious enough and not a bit more, and they didn't try to be overly clever with any of it. This is (somehow) a huge advantage in 2016 boutique television!

I really loved David Harbour in this. Very Raylan.

Everything in this show was exactly dumb and serious enough and not a bit more, and they didn't try to be overly clever with any of it. This is (somehow) a huge advantage in 2016 boutique television!

Some tv makers learned from the lesson of LOST and others did not.

i feel like more shows are better at the whole beginning/middle/end thing now.

like, if netflix were insane and decided not to give it another season it would still be a satisfying experience. and i see more shows like that. they leave an opening for more but they know its not a given that there will be more.

I wish someone would convince Amy Sherman-Palladino of that. Like, yeah, I'm still mad ABC Family didn't continue Bunheads past one season, but I'm VERY mad at AS-P for leaving everything hanging on a show that was never guaranteed and invitation back for year two.

I'm still mad at the Alf TV movie

OK I have read almost this entire thread now, all caught up, thanks deej and whiney for being you, and also Tuomas, I love ILX etc.

I'm sort of with Number None on the El - Demogorgon relationship. The Demogorgon doesn't come for her blood, and doesn't really even bother to hunt her down, because the Demogorgon IS the flip side of Eleven in upside down world / vale of shadows or whatever. Also Eleven kills like, over a dozen people? I'm also counting the poor suckers in the flipped van (that Matt Modine definitely didn't give a shit about - what a guy). So she's crazy and scary too, unless you're Mike, basically. Plus, the Demogorgon was basically unkillable until she decided to disintegrate it, which she knew was going to either kill her or trap her forever in flip world.

I like the idea that MK ULTRA//KIDS nos 1-10 are wondering around, possibly with their own local vale of shadows and counterpart beasties. What does the Soviet version of this program look like?

A bear made of Tetris blocks I hope.

I really liked the scene in the 'void' (and its literal appearance as the dark flip side of the game board) where Eleven encounters that Russian guy though, followed by the chilling sound of the monster. I really dislike the idea that the Upside Down might be some literal future/past 'ruined' reality of our world as it was presented to all the other characters though.

i just saw it as an alternate earth reality that some alien species had been able to get to. and eleven was their way into our world.

i really wish someone would make Area X into a netflix series. that is my dream. in that book a teeny tiny piece of an alien universe ends up on earth. hilarity ensues!

I really liked the scene in the 'void'

this was possibly the most irritating "reference" in the whole thing to me, mostly because it wasn't a rip of something from the same era as all the other rips and instead just a lazy bite of a film that came out two years ago

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I got the sense that the upside down was like a shadow or reflection of our world. Winona is able to communicate with Will by painting letters on the wall. That implies that the same letters must have appeared in the upside down, which means that changes in the upside down are caused by changes in the real world. I think that accounts for why there are identical buildings in that world.

the idea that under the skin invented having a character walk into blackness is silly

oh come on

the walking on water!

George Lucas also did "characters in an empty void," albeit white rather than black, in THX-1138.