Katrina's POLITICAL aftermath (keep the political discussions HERE)

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ben stein would've been an excellent apparatchik. substitute some key words and phrases here and there in his above piece, and it could've run in pravda right after chernobyl.

these people are sickening.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 3 September 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)

ned, thanks for posting that frost piece.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

Yez welcome. He's a regular contributor for FoxNews, interestingly enough, which is how I found it. I must say, it strikes me as well reasoned -- and the comparison between it and Stein's lickspittle scraping is telling.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 September 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)

LOOT BEN $TEIN'$ MONEY!!

A few truths, for those who have ears and eyes and care to know the truth:

1.) The hurricane that hit New Orleans and Mississippi and Alabama was an astonishing tragedy. The suffering and loss of life and peace of mind of the residents of those areas is acutely horrifying.

2.) George Bush did not cause the hurricane. Hurricanes have been happening for eons. George Bush did not create them or unleash this one.

3.) George Bush did not make this one worse than others. There have been far worse hurricanes than this before George Bush was born.

4.) There is no overwhelming evidence that global warming exists as a man-made phenomenon. There is no clear-cut evidence that global warming even exists. There is no clear evidence that if it does exist it makes hurricanes more powerful or makes them aim at cities with large numbers of poor people. If global warming is a real phenomenon, which it may well be, it started long before George Bush was inaugurated, and would not have been affected at all by the Kyoto treaty, considering that Kyoto does not cover the world's worst polluters -- China, India, and Brazil. In a word, George Bush had zero to do with causing this hurricane. To speculate otherwise is belief in sorcery.

5.) George Bush had nothing to do with the hurricane contingency plans for New Orleans. Those are drawn up by New Orleans and Louisiana. In any event, the plans were perfectly good: mandatory evacuation. It is in no way at all George Bush's fault that about 20 percent of New Orleans neglected to follow the plan. It is not his fault that many persons in New Orleans were too confused to realize how dangerous the hurricane would be. They were certainly warned. It's not George Bush's fault that there were sick people and old people and people without cars in New Orleans. His job description does not include making sure every adult in America has a car, is in good health, has good sense, and is mobile.

Thanks, Ben. Because that's, of course, what so many people have been arguing all along. (FUCKING CONDESCENDING IDIOT PRICK)

6.) George Bush did not cause gangsters to shoot at rescue helicopters taking people from rooftops, did not make gang bangers rape young girls in the Superdome, did not make looters steal hundreds of weapons, in short make New Orleans into a living hell.

I like how the word "did not cause" is now being reiterated as the ultimate excuse for which anything one can be held responsible.

"If you hadn't ran that red light, other vehicles wouldn't have avoided you, swerved, and accidentally hit and killed pedestrians"

"I did not cause the death of those pedestrians."

I'd love to see defense lawyers try that.

7.) George Bush is the least racist President in mind and soul there has ever been and this is shown in his appointments over and over. To say otherwise is scandalously untrue.

As opposed to good-naturedly untrue. replace the word "racist" with "classist", and say that again.

8.) George Bush is rushing every bit of help he can to New Orleans and Mississippi and Alabama as soon as he can. He is not a magician. It takes time to organize huge convoys of food and now they are starting to arrive. That they get in at all considering the lawlessness of the city is a miracle of bravery and organization.

Not that the lawlessness was caused by the obscene delay in "rushing" or anything.

9.) There is not the slightest evidence at all that the war in Iraq has diminished the response of the government to the emergency. To say otherwise is pure slander.

Was Kim Jong II even this disingenuous?

10.) If the energy the news media puts into blaming Bush for an Act of God worsened by stupendous incompetence by the New Orleans city authorities and the malevolence of the criminals of the city were directed to helping the morale of the nation, we would all be a lot better off.

it's a GOOD thing that you let people starve, George. It's GOOD that we're not negative about such things, because that's not constructive.

11.) New Orleans is a great city with many great people. It will recover and be greater than ever. Sticking pins into an effigy of George Bush that does not resemble him in the slightest will not speed the process by one day.

But it will make it a lot more fun.

12.) The entire episode is a dramatic lesson in the breathtaking callousness of government officials at the ground level. Imagine if Hillary Clinton had gotten her way and they were in charge of your health care.

????

God bless all of those dear people who are suffering so much, and God bless those helping them, starting with George Bush.

You know I WAS going to finally get Ferris Bueller's Day Off on DVD, but now I won't be able to watch that scene without thrusting my fist into the tube.

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Saturday, 3 September 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

Donut, m'friend, one can think someone is a great entertainer/comedian/etc. and completely fucked otherwise. Stein's comedy shtick may be one-note but I wouldn't trade away his scene in Ferris Bueller's Day Off for the world.

Also, if you're going to start punching out TVs for that kinda reason, never watch MST3K again, y'know? (But Mike's never come across quite this cravenly in his political talks that I'm aware of, I admit.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 September 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

Also, the scene in FBDO is kind of funny because isn't he teaching the kids about the New Deal or something?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 3 September 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

I don't know if others already have posted a link to this crazy-sounding dude announcing the arrival of the end of the American way of life and the initiation of an apocalyptic economic collapse and class war, but how interesting it all sounds. Via Wolcott.

Hunter (Hunter), Saturday, 3 September 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)

ben stein would've been an excellent apparatchik.

you remember he had a job for Nixon, right?


Xpost "Voodoo Economics"

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)

I'm very aware of Mike Nelson's pro-Bush support... but you spelled out why I can stand Nelson.. He's not one to really talk about his political opinions in public.

Ben Stein had a political history, though, didn't he? (and granted, I am posting this purely out of temporary bile. But I don't want those comments he posted forgotten. He had time to think carefully about what he was going to post, and this unfortunately confirms that a sad sack he is... so sorry if I don't want to see his face anywhere in the meantime.)

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Saturday, 3 September 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

Ben Stein is definitely not the right's best voice of reason to put forth, given that horrendous piece he wrote in defense of Nixon when Deep Throat was named. That was about the biggest credibility killer imaginable.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Saturday, 3 September 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

>Ben Stein had a political history, though, didn't he? <

Speechwriter for Nixon.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Saturday, 3 September 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)

"Voodoo Economics"

That's right! I remember thinking that the scene in FBDO seemed to be kind of poking fun at his politics.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 4 September 2005 00:30 (twenty years ago)

more evidence & rumors swirling about the deliberate withholding of aid to the region. I can't find a link yet, but apparently BBC World Service reported that Northern Command had 9 MILLION MREs ready to go, but were never ordered in.

in other news Fuckhead Chertoff is a cunt worse than Rick Santorum

"The situation is improving hour by hour, nevertheless we are not satisfied," he told a press conference in Washington.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 00:31 (twenty years ago)

This morning on BBC world news, I heard that 9 million figure, but I don't know about the ordering/not ordering bit, I wasn't listening closely. I think the fellow they were interviewing did say that 100K MREs were sent to the dome.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 4 September 2005 00:37 (twenty years ago)

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/03/fox-race/

Kanye vid hits Fox News(w/ the expected results) as early as this morning

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 00:39 (twenty years ago)

"It was as if an atomic bomb was dropped on New Orleans"
Um, isn't he supposed to be preparing for that as well?

k/l (Ken L), Sunday, 4 September 2005 00:45 (twenty years ago)

Ever wonder why New Yorkers detest George Bush? by Steve Gilliard.

(posted in the other thread, i think)

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 00:51 (twenty years ago)

I don't know what his login name is, but his writing is laced with ILXisms.

k/l (Ken L), Sunday, 4 September 2005 00:57 (twenty years ago)

i like this bit:

...The most dangerous thing to average Americans is not some mullah in Iraq, not even Osama Bin Laden, but George Bush. If he doesn't get you killed in Iraq, he'll fuck up saving your city so it turns into Escape from New Orleans. Armed junkies roaming the streets, looking for a fix, robbing and looting like Serb paramilitaries and about as sober....

captures it pretty dead on, especially with that kid commandeering the school bus to get folks the fuck out.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

Bush Aides Meet With Black Leaders

By TIMOTHY R. BROWN, Associated Press Writer
47 minutes ago

JACKSON, Miss. - President Bush's top advisers met Saturday with black leaders concerned about the administration's slow response to blacks suffering from Hurricane Katrina, while the head of the NAACP said it was not time for "finger-pointing..."

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 01:54 (twenty years ago)

Looks like the talking to Anderson gave Mary Landrieu is sinking in:

'bout fucking time. her androidlike responses were boggling my mind.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 4 September 2005 02:12 (twenty years ago)

White House Shifts Blame to Local Officials
By Manuel Roig-Franzia and Spencer Hsu
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, September 4, 2005; Page A01

NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 3 -- Tens of thousands of people spent a fifth day awaiting evacuation from this ruined city, as Bush administration officials blamed state and local authorities for what leaders at all levels have called a failure of the country's emergency management.

Ok- so I can understand that yes, state officials should have emergency plans. But for AT LEAST four days, it's been apparent that those plans fell through- due to the to sheer scale of what happened, incompetence, lack of equipement, whatever. I can not believe that rather than going out there and actually getting a good grip on the evactuation of NO and the care of all the hurricane victims, Bush & Co are laying blame. This saddens and sickens me.
(article is here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680.html )

lyra (lyra), Sunday, 4 September 2005 03:16 (twenty years ago)

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/02.html - shepard smith going crazy on hannity...dunno if this was posted already upthread

even fox reporters are affected!!@

Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Sunday, 4 September 2005 03:17 (twenty years ago)

Ok- so I can understand that yes, state officials should have emergency plans. But for AT LEAST four days, it's been apparent that those plans fell through

Also, I can't remember where I read it today (possibly here) but Bush declared Katrina a federal disaster last Sunday which means that it's officially been the federal government's responsibility since then.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 4 September 2005 04:50 (twenty years ago)

Insurgency?! What the fuck!?

Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Sunday, 4 September 2005 05:00 (twenty years ago)

Chertoff: Katrina Scenario Did Not Exist

k/l (Ken L), Sunday, 4 September 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)

"holocaust never happened"

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 4 September 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)

"Category 5 Hurricane Determined To Strike On The Gulf Coast"

k/l (Ken L), Sunday, 4 September 2005 09:30 (twenty years ago)

note that CNN is actually calling him on his shit in the article.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 09:31 (twenty years ago)

Re: Chertoff.... that is absolute BULLSHIT! It blows my mind that he would make such a bald assertion that everyone knows is untrue!

badgerminor (badgerminor), Sunday, 4 September 2005 10:06 (twenty years ago)

cant help thinking that kanye was OTM in his observations.

okokok, Sunday, 4 September 2005 10:06 (twenty years ago)

It blows my mind that he would make such a bald assertion that everyone knows is untrue!

badger, remember that this fuck was a Repub legal tool during Whitewater, and also these five words: "Swift Boat Veterans For Truth"

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)

i know, i know... but it's up there with declaring the earth is flat in my opinion. Every time a hurricane rolls into the Gulf, the words on everyone's lips (at least in south Louisiana) is, "This could be the one that destroys New Orleans." FEMA has known about this potential scenario for many years.

Hardly anyone on the Gulf Coast will believe Chertoff. It seems like political suicide to make such an absurdly false claim when the media can smell the blood in the water. The man's career should be permanently destroyed for that statement alone.

badgerminor (badgerminor), Sunday, 4 September 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)

Brendan Loy, who has been doing yeoman's work via his blog this past week, rips into Brown.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 4 September 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

the pres of jefferson parish on meet the press was devastating, the first time I've cried during all this.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 4 September 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

No link to back it up, but I'm hearing that the Jefferson Pariah Pres (Aaron Broussard) is saying that FEMA and the National Guard cut the emergency communication lines that the local agencies were using…

carson dial (carson dial), Sunday, 4 September 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

yes, that's what he said on meet the press, that they put armed guards in to prevent the feds from cutting the lines.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 4 September 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Bastards! Okay, this is now virtually genocide.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Sunday, 4 September 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

this is the best kos diary on the meet the press bit:
http://dailykos.com/story/2005/9/4/105148/3626

no video yet that I can find. I would definitely argue with the comments on that diary about Russert, I thought he was very sympathetic and angry but kept a calm face. Asking Barbour about the casinos--I took this as more of a line of questioning about economic stuff/insurance issues, possibly a way to 'get' Barbour on those issues. I'm predisposed to like Russert though, he's a lawyer and I admire the discipline this background brings to his questioning of guests.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 4 September 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Transcript for MTP

carson dial (carson dial), Sunday, 4 September 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

God, even that Meet the Press transcript is frustrating. It's nice to see that the coverage elsewhere in the world stays focused on the real issue, plain and simple: this is the richest country in the world and people could not be bothered to deal with the problems with the levees beforehand and the emergency response after it happened was a goddamn joke.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 4 September 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

here's the video:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/04.html#a4783

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 4 September 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

until three or four days ago i wasn't aware of grover norquist. now he's one of my least favourite people in the fucking world.

funny how things work out, innit?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 4 September 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

That Crooks And Liars site is very good.

If this were Japan, these officials might have the decency to commit hari-kari.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 4 September 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

Mary Landrieu (regarding the evacuation of the prison in New Orleans and the sheriffs and whatnot swimming through the water with handcuffs in their teeth to collect and lead the prisoners to that highway overpass): "If one person criticises them (the Sheriffs on how they handled the operation) or says one more thing including the President of the U.S., he will be hearing from me. One more word about it after this show airs and I might likely punch him, literally."

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Sunday, 4 September 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)

Forgive my ignorance with the U.S. system - but is there any political mechanism in place to remove a president guilty of gross incompetence and/or dismal voter approval? Something like a non-confidence vote or anything?

Has anyone seen recent approval rating numbers?

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 4 September 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

Disapproval was in the mid 50s a couple days ago, but I haven't seen more recent numbers. Im sure that's shifted a bit.

Sadly once we foisted Bush on the rest of the world last November, it was for another 4 years. He can be impeached, but I'd highly doubt the Republicans (who control every single branch of government now) would do that.

Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Sunday, 4 September 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)


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