When did parents start using leashes on their kids?

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now you're talkin

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh for fuck's sake, are we really at the "I'm a better parent than you" stage of discussion-board maturation?

Dan (Judging: It's What's For Dinner!) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

It would seem so :-(

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

if you are unable to parent your child and shop simultaneously, there are bigger problems than the leash.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow.

Dan (Abandon Hope, All Ye Who Click Here) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Emily, you have no children.

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

yes, i do.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Did you use nappies? Didn't you feel that might artificially restrict their ability to shit? And I hope you don't use those horrid cruel seatbelt things on them in the car.

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, she does.

. however, mine is just taking her first steps so i may have to revise that opinion in a few months

Relatively open mind for a nanosecond there, just before she explained to me why I'm a bad man for looking after my son.

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Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Yow, wow.

I typed a whole answer as justifying circumstances, but I'm out.

Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

i was joking about the open mindedness, of course!

i have one daughter (9 months) and i care for my neice and nephew (4 and 2) 45-50 hours a week. we often go grocery shopping and running errands throughout the day and i never have needed a leash. i don't think that is due to my super human abilities.

and i don't think that anyone is a 'bad man' for using a leash. to each his own. i do feel that it is lazy and it is not necessary. sorry if i have crushed your self esteem.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:09 (eighteen years ago) link

My self esteem is fine. I have two amazingly well developed children despite my appalling and lazy parenting skills. I may have another one, and keep it in a cage.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link

AWESOME

Dan (Suck On That, BF Skinner!) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't think that anyone is a 'bad man' for using a leash. to each his own. i do feel that it is lazy and it is not necessary.

The conjunction of these two sentences made my head blow up.

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I don't think there's anything super-bizarre about this, mostly because -- so far as I can tell -- it usually gets done for kids who've already displayed some sort of tendency to run off or get lost, some sort of behavior that requires something a little insurance beyond just attention and training. Around 80% of the time I've seen a kid in one of these things, the kid is kinda zooming around in a blur of activity even despite the parent following along at full attention trying to keep everything calm and behaved. It's quite easy to say "well raise your kid so they're not like that," but, you know, c'mon.

I say that granting that in the other 20% of cases you will, yes, see either (a) the sad spectacle of a perfectly orderly kid nonetheless tethered, presumably out of paranoia, and sometimes at disturbingly advanced ages, or (b) worse, the parent who stands there having a long conversation or paying attention to something else entirely, while, at the end of the leash, the child runs around raising hell. (I guess people do this with very small dogs, as well.) Which is dumb, for the obvious reasons, and also dangerous, because relying on the leash as some kind of magical protection will, yeah, not keep the kid from eating thumbtacks, punching strangers in the nuts, or trying to hug vicious dogs.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually not out yet...

There is a day care close to DU, in the mornings I see them taking the kids for a walk on the low traffic semi-urban sidewalks when the weather allows. These are 3 year olds it looks like They are either holding onto, or somehow affixed to a 10 yard long run of webbing, 2 abreast by maybe 8 kids long. I'm here to say. One kid on a leash: demeaning oppression. 16 kid toddler chaingang: TOTALLY TWEE-DORABLE! Will add, they always seem happy enough. Now MUSH!

Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link

because anyone who is lazy is bad?


you should attach a hamster water bottle to its cage and i am sure it will thrive.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link

EMILY you admit that you get through your shopping peacefully not due to your superhuman abilities. Consider that possibly you are blessed and lucky to be dealing with very easygoing well-behaved children. And consider that other people, for various reasons having nothing to do with laziness or appalling parenting, might have children who are less orderly in public than yours! It happens. Your peaceful nine-month-old, for instance, may very well go through a stage at some point where she just happens to like running off.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:16 (eighteen years ago) link

http://members.aol.com/kievhusky/pcage.jpg

OH NOES IM A BAD LAZY PERANT!!!

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:16 (eighteen years ago) link

http://img189.exs.cx/img189/9122/f10000155yq.jpg

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.charlise.com/paintings/cage.jpg

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:18 (eighteen years ago) link

(And that's not saying that your kid/newphews are saints and other people have brats -- just that all kids are different! And they require different approaches to parenting / discipline / learning / safety / EVERYTHING.)

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:18 (eighteen years ago) link

YOU SEE? JESUS DIDN'T TURN OUT BAD!

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:18 (eighteen years ago) link

bah xpost!

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I prefer the chemical leash:

http://www.pharmacyseek.com/images/meds/ritalin.jpg

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:20 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.astro-nut.com/john_dobson___child_with_jump_rope.jpg

YEEHAW!! ROUND UP DEM LITTLE DOGIES!!!!

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh for fuck's sake, are we really at the "I'm a better parent than you" stage of discussion-board maturation?

didn't we have a "what will a middle-aged ILX argue about" thread?

kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:21 (eighteen years ago) link

i am not saying that the RARE circumstance does not exist that would warrant such a contraption. perhaps that is true for onimo. it just seems that many who enlist the device do so because they would rather tie the child to their person than be bothered to pay enough attention to keep hold of them. they seem to be overused. like television/kid's videos, i guess.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.infinityproducts.com/images/009.jpg

LOOK AT THIS MISERABLE DEGRADED CHIDL

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

are you talking about his haircut?

Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

When you go shopping, do you run there or do you take the lazy way out and drive/take public transporation?

Dan (Curious) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Because these things are equivalent.

Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, gotta go, the kids have been playing with matches for the last couple of hours cos I was too lazy to fetch them a lighter.

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:29 (eighteen years ago) link

they seem to be overused.

Really? I only see a kid on a leash maybe once every couple of years. I think if they were very commonplace they wouldn't seem strange at all but the novelty of it makes it seem unnecessary.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I'VE CREATED A MONSTER!

Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, gotta go, the kids have been playing with matches for the last couple of hours cos I was too lazy to fetch them a lighter.

Give a child matches and he is an arsonist for a day.

Give a child a lighter and he is an arsonist for a week.

But teach a child to start fires with nothing but two sticks and some string and he may be an arsonist for the rest of his life.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Because these things are equivalent.

Show me the studies that show that these child harnesses are damaging to children; until you do, the two examples are more equivalent than dissimilar.

Dan (Kids Need Exercise, Putting Them In A Car Is Just Lazy) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't even want to think about what kind of Google Image Searches you people are performing.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:36 (eighteen years ago) link

DAER POLICE I WAS ONLY GOOGLING "CHILD RESTRAINT" FOR THE LOLZ, HONEST

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:37 (eighteen years ago) link

find me two studies that show dan perry is not bea arthur. until then, they are in fact the same person.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:37 (eighteen years ago) link

BUSTED

Bea (And I Would Have Gotten Away With It If IT Wasn't For Those Meddling Kids) , Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:40 (eighteen years ago) link

FLY ALL IS KNOWN

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jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Wot is the big deal here? This idea that leashes is "degrading" is weird. I mean, they're degrading if you put them on an Iraqi prisoner, sure, but their primary function is not to degrade. Are people trying to humiliate their dogs? No, they're trying to keep some control over an animal with a tendency to wander, while still allowing them some freedom of movement. Same deal with a kid. Giving them a few feet of walking space seems a hell of a lot less oppressive than strapping them tight into a stroller. Our kid isn't quite to walking yet and we haven't thought about whether to ever use a kid-leash, but I wouldn't rule it out. And holding the end of a leash is no lazier than holding a hand, as long as you're keeping a close eye on things.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Are people trying to humiliate their dogs?

I bet people who put leashes on their kids put humiliating sweaters on their dogs.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Is it wrong to want to excelsior parts of this thread? Onimo and Amity and Nabisco and others OTM, emilymv TOTALLY FUCKING WRONGHEADED.

I don't have kids, but I was one myself once, and I think I can safely say I could have lived with having been attached to my parents for a while rather than being another roadkill statistic. (My parents were exceptionally good at parenting, as far as I'm concerned, taught me right from wrong, all that malarkey, and I have no idea whether I was reined or not - presumably not as I would still be bearing the mental scars of such brutal degradation)

Incidentally, what's wrong with children's TV?

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 2 December 2005 00:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I may have another one, and keep it in a cage.

This is what I expected to be in the hatch on Lost. Would've been far more interesting.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 2 December 2005 01:08 (eighteen years ago) link


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