how Frank Field was involved in undermining the hard-left Labour candidate Lol Duffy in '87 (I remember the local freesheet going to town on the "Marxist")
Marxist was accurate in Duffy's case though, he was a member/"supporter" of the trot group that became Alliance for Workers' Liberty (who seem to have been the only far-left party to have supported a Remain vote this year afaict)
― soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 14:46 (eight years ago) link
17-15 win for the second vote on whether Corbyn should be on the ballot to be secret.
It's being taken as a strong indication they'll keep him off it.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 15:19 (eight years ago) link
Then it will look like an enormous stitch-up, and whoever gets in will face an immediate and ongoing crisis of legitimacy.
If they keep Corbyn off the ballot expect everyone to bundle in and Angela Eagle to be nowhere in the final voting.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 15:23 (eight years ago) link
and the number of votes to plummet
― conrad, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 16:12 (eight years ago) link
if they do try to keep him off the ballot then I can only imagine it will be a disaster, even from the pov of the Labour right. the pressure to reverse the decision will be immense, Corbyn's stand against the corrupt establishment will become the one and only issue of the whole leadership election campaign, and any discussion of his failings as leader will be off the agenda. I can't see any way that this would work out well for his opponents - I guess they hope they can tough it out and Corbyn's supporters will just leave the party in frustration?
― soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 16:21 (eight years ago) link
they can't keep him off the ballot, he'll just have to be 51'ed on to it like everyone else. same difference really but
― coygbiv (NickB), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 16:24 (eight years ago) link
to think of all the unheeded warnings that scottish labours' intimate intwinement in the better together campaign could alienate their voters for good
― conrad, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 16:26 (eight years ago) link
It's nice that the Labour Party are finally working together to save Britain from a grave and terrible threat
― Blandford Forum, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 16:37 (eight years ago) link
Who would have guessed the threat would be a guy who cares about justice and welfare for poor people but isn't that great at working the media! I never would have, lucky I'm not an MP!! :)
― Blandford Forum, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 16:39 (eight years ago) link
I mean I can imagine a situation where they force Corbyn to get the noms and enough no-confidence PLP voters are self-aware enough to realise what a fuckup it'd be to keep him out, so they nominate him anyway. It'd only need 11 out of 140ish right?
― JimD, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 16:41 (eight years ago) link
172 in fact
― JimD, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 16:42 (eight years ago) link
he needs 51 nominations from either Lab MPs or MEPs, and afaict there are only about a dozen or so who actually want him to be leader. but yes, I think that he could well end up getting enough nominations anyway due to the pressure on MPs from their local parties, fear of splitting the party and recognition that a leader elected without Corbyn on the ballot would be seen as lacking legitimacy.
― soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 16:48 (eight years ago) link
A few commenters here in need of a bracing fiery death
https://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/752902183012753408
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 16:58 (eight years ago) link
i'm not too sure that there's any point expecting honour or basic political intelligence from these fuckers tbh
― and the Gove maths out Raab (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 16:59 (eight years ago) link
real somewhere that the number of nominations needed for a leadership contest where there is no incumbent is only 15% of the PLP and MEPs, rather than the 20% needed when the election is a challenge against an incumbent leader, so theoretically Corbyn could stand down as leader and then would need fewer nominations. which seems farcical, but is in keeping with the general slapstick nature of the last few weeks
― soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:04 (eight years ago) link
Starting with all these cunts going on about "new, kinder politics" all the fucking time
― Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:09 (eight years ago) link
Is there any possibility that Eagle is targeting herself as some kind of machiavellian move that seems a little too obvious.Playing the victim does seem one tactic, but does is it one electable?
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:12 (eight years ago) link
doubt it, there's enough understandably enraged people, ne'er-do-wells and idiots to go around
― and the Gove maths out Raab (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:16 (eight years ago) link
xp top tip - when a female public figure is claiming harassment, the burden of proof is really really far on the side of those claiming she's making it up.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:17 (eight years ago) link
omg
https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/752915337939718144
― soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:24 (eight years ago) link
young passionate supporter of neolib economics
― and the Gove maths out Raab (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:31 (eight years ago) link
Wonder if the rallies Angela has will bring the same numbers in as Jeremy's short notice meetings did?
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:45 (eight years ago) link
ppl suggesting that the Corbyn lookalike thing is a set up, I was hoping that it was just some hapless bearded gentleman who happened to walk past and had no idea was going on
― soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:51 (eight years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnLkyboWAAAAtfb.jpg
― soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:55 (eight years ago) link
The Jamie Vardy lookalike is on the phone now giving him tips.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:03 (eight years ago) link
The Vardy lookalike has been getting abuse since Norwexit
― lilcraigyboi (Craigo Boingo), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:31 (eight years ago) link
Corbyn on the ballot!
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:54 (eight years ago) link
poor Angela Eagle
― PLPeni (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:58 (eight years ago) link
So does that mean that Eagle is going to go by what she said earlier?THough i have just heard that Owen Smith is also on. So not sure what that will mean.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:58 (eight years ago) link
I mean it's despicable that this was even in question enough that people should have to feel relieved about this outcome but
hahahaha
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:59 (eight years ago) link
My guess is there'll be loads of them on the ballot paper and they'll all get out of the way for whoever ends up polling get closest to Corbyn.
Or they could all dumbly run up against each other and split the vote again, who even knows.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:03 (eight years ago) link
Can't actually remember the last time I heard some good news in politics, but otoh what a bag of arses they all look
― coygbiv (NickB), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:04 (eight years ago) link
stoked for the Dan Jarvis campaign where the leaflets just have the words "army man" in different fonts and sizes at random intervals
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:12 (eight years ago) link
"It's a man's life in the Parliamentary Labour Party."
― PLPeni (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:13 (eight years ago) link
I paid a pound
― O, Barack: flaws (wins), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:16 (eight years ago) link
Their next cunning plan will be to borrow a few million off Murdoch and pay a click farm to give Eagle 200000 fake Labour members :p
As much as I immensely dislike what the likes of Eagle represent and how they conduct themselves, I do almost genuinely feel sorry for her now.
― calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:34 (eight years ago) link
Nobody who registered in the last six months will be allowed to vote, according to the BBC - so whatever recruitment push Saving Labour were going for clearly didn't work. It's also being reported that the £3 registered supporters need to pay £25 to vote this time.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:55 (eight years ago) link
fucking ponzi scheme!
― calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:57 (eight years ago) link
I'd pay the £25, but ffs!
― calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:59 (eight years ago) link
Seems bizarre that you can't vote if you became a member five months ago but can if you register to pay £25 as a non-member in the two-day window they're opening up.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:01 (eight years ago) link
I want my pound back
― O, Barack: flaws (wins), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:02 (eight years ago) link
people who joined since Feb would be able to vote if they pay the £25 supporter fee, I guess? it does seem silly
― soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:04 (eight years ago) link
It seems like they do actually have a plan after all.
― calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:05 (eight years ago) link
He's going to walk it.
― AlanSmithee, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:06 (eight years ago) link
Labour party sure getting creative in response to threats to its trade union funding.
― So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:06 (eight years ago) link
I don't even know if i will be able to vote. As a low-down scratter member I only pay them £1.96 a month - they were asking me for more and I respectfully explained I've not even had a holiday for 4 years so get fucked!
― calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:11 (eight years ago) link
£25 fee is higher than the annual membership rate under-27s, trade unionists and those who are unemployed retired or work fewer than 16 hours a week: https://join.labour.org.uk/
difficult to see how the higher fee doesn't totally negate the point of the registered supporter scheme, I guess it would have been impossible for them to get rid of it all together? or figure that anti-Corbyn types who are willing to sign up to vote against him have more disposable income
xp to calzino
― soref, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:12 (eight years ago) link
labour.org seems to have been overwhelmed!
― calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:17 (eight years ago) link
Trying to rig the voting system towards your own dastardly end was what got them into this mess:p How much can Corbyn do to challenge these changes?not much I'd guess.
― calzino, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:23 (eight years ago) link
Was the guy who was on BBC News channel saying that Corbyn was killing the Labour party after the announcement of him being on the ballot was announced really saying that the Unions were too?That's how I heard it as I was working away on the computer. But can't tell if that could be real.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:24 (eight years ago) link