Redd's Roster of Restaurants of the Old Weird New York

Looks like Madame Rosa's, which was what I was googling, later housed a Tibetan Buddhist organization: http://tricycle.org/magazine/nothing-hide/

One more nightlife roundup from a year later: http://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/27/arts/glitz-funk-and-victoriana-enliven-new-york-s-discos.html?pagewanted=all

And I know I still owe you some more restaurants.

But right now repurposed this thread with similar purpose for bookstores: TOMORROW, Sat. Jan 6, is the last day of COLISEUM BOOKS in NYC

Friend of mine just reminded me of a piece of the Brownstone Brooklyn puzzle that has been ticking at the back of my mind:

Patois, 255 Smith Street, between Douglass and DeGraw Streets. Lasted from 1997-2009. Paved the way for all the other restaurants on Smith Street.

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/32/1/32_1_mm_patois.html

Keep trying to figure out what was the place across the street from the Cobble Hill Cinema at 254 Court Street, which is now Kitchen At Cobble Hill, previously was Karloff with same owners I think, but what was it back in, say, 2000?

Good article about the man behind Patois:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/dining/brooklyn-restaurant-pioneer-alan-harding-reshapes-his-career.html

Ah, the prior place at 254 Court Street I was thinking of was called Kalio.

Ah, struck some paydirt with this link:
http://www.travelandleisure.com/articles/brooklyn-for-beginners

Montague Street coffee shop for a few minutes back there, up above street level:
Ozzie's 136 Montague St

Just needed the address:
La Bouillabaisse, 145 Atlantic Ave

Had forgotten, but used to enjoy going to
Meson Flamenco, 135 Atlantic Ave

Trying to remember, thought this place had an outdoor garden
Camille's Clover Hill, 272 Court Street
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/boroughs/borough-bites-affordable-dining-article-1.794959

Never really liked this place too much
Harvest 218 Court St

Old school Italian, still there:
Marco Polo, 345 Court Street
http://nymag.com/listings/restaurant/marco-polo-ristorante/

Article about the P & G cafe, mentioned upthread- with before and after photos! Wonder if it ever really reopened?

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/west-side-loses-a-neon-landmark/

Can't remember much about Max & Moritz, mentioned by Josefa upthread, but I must have been there a few times, I even found there phone number in an old address book the other day. Did it have a (beer)garden in the back?

Tribeca:
Bazzini, 339 Greenwich
https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20091021/soho-tribeca-nolita/tribeca-staple-bazzini-set-close-after-123-years-the-neighborhood
http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_339/wholesalechange.html

Pão, 322 Spring Street (Spring and Greenwich)
http://tribecacitizen.com/2015/01/05/pao-has-closed/
(This link includes mention of several other restaurant closings, including that of 508 Microbrewery, right down the block from Pão, which had previously been Giorgione 508, a joint venture with Giorgione DeLuca and Jorge, the owner of Pão)

Gone more than a decade:
El Teddy's, 219 West Broadway
http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_35/crownjewelofa.html
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2001/04/16/just-a-bar
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/04/20/garden/at-el-teddy-s-60-years-of-design-history-in-bits-and-pieces.html

Here's a review of the short-lived Giorgione 508
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/08/dining/reviews/hoho-wevar-wherever-its-there.html

West Village:
Aggie's, 146 West Houston Street, at MacDougal
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/15/nyregion/neighborhood-report-west-village-doyenne-macdougal-st-lays-down-her-omelet-pan.html

At one point after her restaurant closed, Aggie was working for a while at
(Back to Tribeca)
Walker's, 16 North Moore Street

Which is still there although I don't know if they have jazz on Sunday's anymore since Peter Leitch had to retire from playing due to medical issues.

More from Iberia on the same block as Pão in Tri- sorry Hudson Square (just learned this neighborhood name)
Pintxos, 510 Greenwich
http://nymag.com/listings/restaurant/pintxos/

More from Tribeca proper:
City Hall, 131 Duane Street
http://www.grubstreet.com/2015/12/city-hall-restaurant-closing.html
http://nymag.com/listings/restaurant/city-hall-restaurant/

Still open, the food is just okay, I think, but you can't beat the funky authentic decor:
Square Diner, 33 Leonard Street
http://newyork.seriouseats.com/2013/11/square-diner-tribeca-sandwich-happy-hour.html
http://nymag.com/listings/restaurant/square-diner/

Okay, I am linking to this fascinating ribute to Don Hill (the print version, just cancel printing and read because regular version has problems)

http://www.interviewmagazine.com/culture/remembering-don-hill/print/

which ties in here because his club was across the street from Pão, where he used to hang out. In fact the owner of Pão is interviewed and tells a very good story, and the restaurant is mentioned by the brother of a Soprano's cast member. I saw his brother in Pão once whilst we were all watching the 2004 Euro. In fact I think a bunch of other cast members used to hang out there, including the big guy himself, James Gandolfini, along with Johnny V (Artie Bucco). A bunch of celebrities or other people you may know are also interviewed along with a fascinating guy you may not have heard of, Steely Dan sound man and road manager Nitebob Czaykowski, who is actually pictured in the piece but not identified, and who also has many other credits with many other musicians -read about him and Iggy in Open Up and Bleed- who all seem to like him a lot, perhaps as much as he likes cats.

More about Nite Bob:
https://newtopiamagazine.wordpress.com/2013/07/19/mongrel-patriot-review-nitebob/

OMG just laughed out loud at story about watching This Is Spinal Tap with Steven Tyler. Probably should be reposted on more appropriate thread.

Aggie's! Never went but walked past it all the time.

Can't remember much about Max & Moritz, mentioned by Josefa upthread, but I must have been there a few times, I even found there phone number in an old address book the other day. Did it have a (beer)garden in the back?

Yep. Once it got really popular the owners opened up Cafe Steinhof a couple of blocks down the street as a lower-priced, more casual alternative restaurant. Steinhof is still in business today. The Max & Moritz space became Anthony's, a brick oven pizza place, and later on Amira's, a Mediterranean joint that's now gone also

Old school Italian, still there:
Marco Polo, 345 Court Street
http://nymag.com/listings/restaurant/marco-polo-ristorante/

Once I was walking by this place and that stretch of Court Street was a movie set that was outfitted with 1960s-era cars up and down the block (including taxis). They were shooting a scene for the film Men in Black 3. It was a scene supposed to take place in 1969, which was probably why they chose that location - because it looks much the same as it did in 1969. Never saw the film, so don't know if that scene made the final cut.

Pão, 322 Spring Street (Spring and Greenwich)
http://tribecacitizen.com/2015/01/05/pao-has-closed/
(This link includes mention of several other restaurant closings, including that of 508 Microbrewery, right down the block from Pão, which had previously been Giorgione 508, a joint venture with Giorgione DeLuca and Jorge, the owner of Pão)

More movie trivia: in the Scorsese film After Hours, Teri Garr's character, referred to as "Miss Beehive 1965," lives in an apartment around the corner from Pão, at 307 Spring (across the street from Don Hill's).

Thanks!

That location, 322 Spring, is now Sacco & Vanzetti Bistro, into which I have not ventured.

Did you use this webpage to learn that?
http://www.movie-locations.com/movies/a/afterhours.html#.V4w0Ab_EynM

Which also mentions another gone place I can't quite remember:
River Diner, 11th Avenue and 37th Street

Which is mentioned in this diner roundup I don't think has been linked to yet:
http://forgotten-ny.com/2001/12/nothing-could-be-finer-a-look-at-nyc-diners/

More about Bazzini:
http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_311/beforeitwas.html

Did you use this webpage to learn that?
http://www.movie-locations.com/movies/a/afterhours.html#.V4w0Ab_EynM

No, it's on nysonglines.com and I saw it on some other site too

Ah, I see.

Meant to post this link to a picture of La Jumelle.

Didn't realize until looking up stuff for this thread that Mezzaluna and Mezzogiorno were connected.

El Teddy's, called El Internacional (sic) at the time, was where I met my wife :)

didn't like Aggie's kinda remembering Aggie herself being a pill

there was a great pseudo-healthy place in Tribeca called Nosmo King (no smoking lol when you still could) for a few awhile during the early 90s. also ate at the famed artists diner Food in Soho a few times before it closed. really tasty and dirt cheap college-town hippie grits

Went by the South Street Seaport area two weeks ago and observed that
The Bridge Cafe, 279 Water Street
is still not reopened and still dealing with Sandy damage

Jeremy's Ale House, 228 Front Street (pre-2004 location 254 Front Street) is open

The Paris Hotel/Café, 119 South Street, at Peck Slip
has reopened after dealing with Sandy damage.

Seaport links:
http://ny.curbed.com/2013/9/5/10201344/chronicling-the-south-street-seaports-post-sandy-decline
http://forgotten-ny.com/2012/09/forgottentour-58-recap-south-street-seaport/

Flutie's, 89 South Street @ Pier 17 (where there was also a Caroline's At The Seaport comedy club)
closed in 1991.

Roebling's Bar and Grill, 11 Fulton Street, in Fulton Market Building
closed in 1995.

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/30/nyregion/neighborhood-report-lower-manhattan-fulton-market-building-less-more-super.html

Gianni's, 15 Fulton Street
Long gone, barely an internet ghost. Mostly shows up in the listing sections of old New York magazine's in Google Books. Or old New York Times Restaurant week roundups such as this one. How many can you remember?
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/23/garden/lunches-for-19.92-were-so-popular-they-re-now-19.93.html

Some more pictures of the P & G Cafe
http://evgrieve.com/2008/09/appreciation-p-g-cafe.html

And another American Psycho roundup that we need to dig into.
http://www.scoutingny.com/patrick-batemans-new-york-what-happened-to-the-world-of-american-psycho/

First Avenue
Maxwell's Plum, 1181 First Avenue, at 64th
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/11/nyregion/maxwell-s-plum-a-60-s-symbol-closes.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/01/13/nyregion/last-mob-at-maxwell-s-plum-bids-on-glass-and-menagerie.html

Pancho Villa's, 1125 First Avenue, at 62nd
(look in New York Magazine, Google Books if you want to read about)

Don't really remember going into these places, but certainly walked by all the time. I have a very vague memory of somebody telling me the owner of Pancho Villa's was named Roman Chapa and he used to study Taekwondo side by side with Gregory Hines (there are some copies of Black Belt magazine on Google Books in which you can read about some of HInes' competitive matches)

Another Upper East Side place I never set foot in but it had a really great name:
The Ravelled Sleave, 1383 Third Avenue, near 79th Street

A goldmine of Brooklyn info found in searching the Google Book of 2004's
Brooklyn!, 3rd Edition: The Ultimate Guide to New York's Most Happening Borough
By Ellen Freudenheim, Anna Wiener

Such as:
Banania Cafe, 241 Smith, at Douglass
Cafe LULUc, 214 Smith, between Baltic and Butler, (still there)
Osaka, 272 Court, between Kane and DeGraw (still there)
Halcyon, 227 Smith, between Butler and Douglass

i remember driving by Maxwell plum's several times when I was a kid and being fascinated, this would have been mid to late 70s

maxwell's plum
it looked so adult and exotic

How could I mention Maxwell's Plum without mentioning another, similar place I don't think I ever entered,
The Quilted Giraffe

http://www.grubstreet.com/2011/10/quilted_giraffe.html
http://www.townandcountrymag.com/leisure/dining/a980/quilted-giraffe-profile/
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/12/30/garden/the-quilted-giraffe-joins-the-dinosaurs.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/06/dining/the-quilted-giraffe-cooks-again.html

Address was 550 Madison, which for decades was known as the Sony Building, when it was owned by Sony. An ilxor or two used to go there sometimes to participate in an annual music trivia contest. The building not the restaurant.

Theater district:
Cafe Edison, 228 West 47th
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/07/nyregion/cafe-edison-a-longtime-broadway-hangout-is-closing.html

http://vanishingnewyork.blogspot.com/2014/11/cafe-edison.html
http://observer.com/2014/11/after-34-years-of-broadway-history-cafe-edison-is-closing/
http://ny.eater.com/2015/1/5/7493575/weeks-after-closing-times-square-classic-cafe-edison-has-already-been

It's sleepytime. Will leave you with article about Florent's life after Florent.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/03/nyregion/florent-morellet-revels-in-a-new-scene-in-brooklyn.html?_r=0

Okay, just one last thing:
Map of Hudson Square retail, including several places we've mentioned:
http://330hudsonnyc.com/pdf/330Hudson_RetailMap.pdf

This has a very similar map:
http://www.cbre.us/o/newyorkcity/AssetLibrary/330%20Hudson%20Retail%20PDF_v12.pdf

That NYT Florent article is amazing. I wonder how he's holding up now.

Think they should make a combination Celebrity Chef/Big Brother-style reality show featuring Florent, Aggie, the guy from Patois and the daughter of the guy behind Maxwell's Plum.

I just remembered another small connective fiber here: Aggie was working at Giorgione 508 and when it closed she appeared a little while later at Walker's. Cannot use intranetz to verify but I am reasonably sure my memory is correct on this.

I skimmed through a Greenwich Village guidebook last night to look at the lists of restaurants and shops. I'm trying to remember if there was anything listed that is still around!

I have a guidebook from 1959 called New York Places & Pleasures, which believe it or not describes some still-surviving restaurants

Somewhere I have a guidebook to Soho from the 70s that has very detailed maps of all the galleries. I always wanted to walk around with it to see what luxury stores they've all turned into.

(Where I worked is a Hugo Boss.)

I've done some walking around like that trying to pinpoint old 1960s nightspots. It can be depressing because often the original building no longer exists