i mean.... please remember this is a television show and not something that actually happened!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
― J0rdan S., Monday, June 20, 2016 1:14 PM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah actual reality makes far less sense
― lag∞n, Monday, June 20, 2016 1:16 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm both but especially the second part
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Monday, 20 June 2016 17:52 (seven years ago) link
or this shit is just badly written
― goole, Monday, June 20, 2016 12:50 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark
m/l how i break it down to an extent
― 龜, Monday, 20 June 2016 17:52 (seven years ago) link
I was about to say the kid is Sansa's cousin but they're probably not too fussed about that in Westeros.
― Matt DC, Monday, 20 June 2016 17:53 (seven years ago) link
its simultaneously badly and amazingly written is what makes it good is how i break it down
― lag∞n, Monday, 20 June 2016 17:53 (seven years ago) link
With my 'horrible hat' on, as well, it seems lots of stuff (the iron born meeting the khaleesi, for example) seem to be happening on a different timescale to ther stuff.
― inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Monday, 20 June 2016 17:55 (seven years ago) link
ramsay shooting the giant and not jon is totally within the realm of his character imo, i mean remember he had theon and then let him escape so he could continue to fuck with him. i think he knew the game was up and just wanted to get his torture licks in while he could. idk.
maybe he missed. if you miss you are likely to hit the giant, big target.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 20 June 2016 17:57 (seven years ago) link
still don't get why sean bean was fighting thormund in this though.
sean bean references have become the gaz coombes of the thrones board huh
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Monday, 20 June 2016 17:58 (seven years ago) link
sorry
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 20 June 2016 17:59 (seven years ago) link
Whats gaz coombes
― 龜, Monday, 20 June 2016 18:00 (seven years ago) link
What are Sean beans?
― inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Monday, 20 June 2016 18:00 (seven years ago) link
jon definitely foreshadowing sean bean quitting acting and returning to winterfell with that father in the crypt comment
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Monday, 20 June 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link
The giant had been shot through eightyleven times and wasn't obviously dying, the arrow through the eye was a kill shot, not some straw that broke the camels back. And in that space the giant was obviously the greatest threat. It completely makes sense
We don't even need the logic of "he wanted to torture Jon" bc there are tons of other reasons he could have chosen to shoot the giant first (if anything him shooting Jon over the giant would be weird from a tactical POV, I think it's just that we in the audience have invested ourselves more in Jon and are used to GoT going right for the throat instead of killing off a supporting character like most shows so when they do follow a trope ppl get all "wait I thought this show didn't do any tropes!" When it's more like, we are unpredictable w our handling of tropes
Imo
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 20 June 2016 18:04 (seven years ago) link
looking forward to the reveal of bean's body not being there then bean entering the room behind jon snow "looking for someone?"
i mean that's how i'd write it...
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 20 June 2016 18:05 (seven years ago) link
I didn't really get that scene where the ewoks are celebrating their victory and transparent Sean Bean gives a thumbs up to Jon
― Evan, Monday, 20 June 2016 18:05 (seven years ago) link
they prob won't come up with something as good as that
xpost
"The giant had been shot through eightyleven times and wasn't obviously dying, the arrow through the eye was a kill shot, not some straw that broke the camels back. And in that space the giant was obviously the greatest threat. It completely makes sense"
So to you that whole collapsing-to-the-ground-full-of-arrows thing was just him getting into pouncing position or something?
― Evan, Monday, 20 June 2016 18:07 (seven years ago) link
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, June 20, 2016 2:05 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm
― lag∞n, Monday, 20 June 2016 18:18 (seven years ago) link
I'm sure he was in pain and may have died ultimately but he was still clearly a threat you're being ridiculous
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 20 June 2016 18:18 (seven years ago) link
Seriously wtf
He's a fucking giant. You make sure he's dead
― Number None, Monday, 20 June 2016 18:23 (seven years ago) link
All I'm saying is that it is clear to at least the audience that the giant was as good as dead prior to that last eye shot in case you are arguing otherwise.
― Evan, Monday, 20 June 2016 18:24 (seven years ago) link
I didn't really have any strong feelings about that scene so I don't know why I'm bothering to push back. I guess I just thought you were saying it wasn't clear that he was at the end of his rope.
― Evan, Monday, 20 June 2016 18:28 (seven years ago) link
ryan otm
― goole, Monday, 20 June 2016 18:29 (seven years ago) link
Petyr was preparing to take the Vale army to the battle way before Sansa wrote the letter. I don't think Sansa's letter mattered.
― remove butt (abanana), Monday, 20 June 2016 18:31 (seven years ago) link
except it is a giant fucking gamble that could get everyone killed, and does in fact get thousands of ppl killed unnecessarily?
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, June 20, 2016 12:09 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This entire situation is a gamble that could get everyone killed no matter the decision she makes...
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, June 20, 2016 10:12 AM (58 minutes ago)
a bunch of people died because she didn't say anything to jon, davros, etc. about this other army that was coming. And this is a point that we're not supposed to ignore, based on the context of the Mereen plot that preceded it, and the speech that Jon gave about Ramsay not being willing to die for his own men.
― sarahell, Monday, 20 June 2016 18:33 (seven years ago) link
Also the bit from the preview for next episode where Sansa and Jon talk about trust ...
― sarahell, Monday, 20 June 2016 18:36 (seven years ago) link
"The Vale will be here any minute" would have been useful during the negotiations when they met the day prior whether he was sure of it or not.
I feel they'll probably cover it next episode, yeah.
― Evan, Monday, 20 June 2016 18:37 (seven years ago) link
i don't suppose anybody's brought up that while daenerys was preening around telling people I told you so, large chunks of the city were being destroyed, lots of people murdered by the harpies? And if she was waiting for the dothraki hordes to arrive, one presumes they were just waiting for the dwagons to attack so they must've been more or less just waiting on her?but yes: not a particularly well written show, often great production values, this has been a season of lowered expectations and great silliness cheek by jowl with occasional plot payoffs. again, i read all of this as benioff and weiss pivoting away from GRRM's "hang on, i almost have this figured out" endgame into a (likely much more sustainable) storyline with the playing pieces where they want them for the next few years and the seams are showing much more than I'd like.
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Monday, 20 June 2016 18:42 (seven years ago) link
D-40's distinction upthread between luck and fate is baffling to me. Isn't the latter just a handy way of explaining the former in the fantasy milieu.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 20 June 2016 18:43 (seven years ago) link
many many xps
It was very convenient timing in both fights -- Dany and the Vale both arriving on the same day of the battles. I say it's poor writing.
I was expecting some GRRM twist to the Winterfell victory, like a reminder that they should be defending the wall instead of fighting each other. Sansa's smile was weak.
― remove butt (abanana), Monday, 20 June 2016 18:51 (seven years ago) link
i thought there would be a twist like, Daeny forces the slavers to surrender - burns one ship as an example, the rest surrender, she gets her fleet, doesn't need the iron islands anymore
― 龜, Monday, 20 June 2016 18:55 (seven years ago) link
production values are so weirdly inconsistent on this show; single shot Jon Snow in the midst of cavalry was amazing work and then you have bizarre herky jerky speed frame rate dogs eating ramsay's face like a late 90's horror movie.
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Monday, 20 June 2016 18:56 (seven years ago) link
That is a crazy position to take at this point. If people had asked me what had happened to the Hound I might have said he was dead, or Jon, or Stannis or [spoiler who might still turn out to be alive in the show and is in the book]. I'm not saying the giant is alive, but claiming he is is now impossible. We have less reason to believe the giant is dead than Rob.
― inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Monday, 20 June 2016 18:58 (seven years ago) link
― remove butt (abanana), Monday, June 20, 2016 2:51 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
You call it bad writing, George Lucas calls it poetry.
― Evan, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:06 (seven years ago) link
this happens in every fantasy novel ever ftr
― Number None, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:08 (seven years ago) link
a fictional story with characters showing up at convenient times. crazy!
― J0rdan S., Monday, 20 June 2016 19:09 (seven years ago) link
not a fan of the cliche but I do like the idea that the last-second arrival of help is from a mega-sketchy character with ulterior motives.
― ryan, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:12 (seven years ago) link
feels very game of thronesy
― ryan, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:13 (seven years ago) link
lol
― goole, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:13 (seven years ago) link
it's definitely to his advantage that Jon's army was seriously diminished in the earlier fighting.
― sarahell, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:13 (seven years ago) link
also where were all you people in the Prometheus thread when I needed you.
― ryan, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:14 (seven years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Monday, June 20, 2016 12:14 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
h8 this argument
xp never saw that shit
― goole, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:14 (seven years ago) link
next ep is surely the Big Reveal (to the audience if not the character in question) given that it was set up early in the season.
― ryan, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:17 (seven years ago) link
wait what was set up?
― sarahell, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:18 (seven years ago) link
It really better be!
― Evan, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:18 (seven years ago) link
xp
what's going on in the tower
― ryan, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:19 (seven years ago) link
Not seen any comment on the hail of arrows presumably falling as heavily on Ramsay's own forces as on Snow's. Since they did seem to be a constant falling on a wide area in which the two sides were fighting. So presumably Ramsay didn't give a fuck about his own forces. I mean not just that he wouldn't even fight man to man for them beforehand.
But they were loyal hounds like innit?
― Stevolende, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:19 (seven years ago) link
― sarahell, Monday, June 20, 2016 1:33 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
isnt it entirely possible that she just sent a letter saying "please help me obi wan youre my only hope" and didn't hear back from him? again these guys arent communicating by cell phone. she may not have known he would show up and certainly wouldn't have had the network of spies to know there was an army approaching
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 20 June 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link
it was noteworthy that Jon was the only one who actually fought, whereas Ramsay and Littlefinger just sat back on their horses.
― sarahell, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:21 (seven years ago) link