Love it when players who shouldn't be trusted to pick their own dinners have opinions about team selection, tactics etc. Lot of bullshit hype around Rooney's 2 performances, as if not completely fucking up was laudable in itself. He still slows the team down, especially with those long, hanging crossfield passes that do nothing except allow the opposition defence a few seconds to stabilise.
― Noodle Vague, Monday, 20 June 2016 08:53 (eight years ago) link
think he's been alright there, not twpirlo obv but yknow. those long passes are symptom not cause imo, the side's movement is so lacking that the hail mary is more attractive an option than it ever ought to be
― r|t|c, Monday, 20 June 2016 09:09 (eight years ago) link
none of the praise has been accounting for the fact that neither Wales nor Russia saw fit to press him whatsoever, any decent midfield would have him for breakfast.
It's not necessarily that he's choosing the wrong option every time, the problem is more that he doesn't seem capable of sweeping the ball around at pace. Those leisurely floated balls are so easy to read.
Unlikely as it seems I think the best thing that could happen tonight would be for wilshere to come in and play a blinder to make himself undroppable for the next game
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 20 June 2016 09:12 (eight years ago) link
I think I'd allow him "alright" and maybe there's nobody in the squad who would obviously be more than alright but it's still unseemly crowbarring him in like this just because of alleged talismanic powers imo
― Noodle Vague, Monday, 20 June 2016 09:24 (eight years ago) link
The thing is you can just tell that Rooney reads the game better than most of the other England players, you can see what he's trying to do, but he doesn't really have the pace or control or the experience to execute it properly. He's been doing alright, and will probably continue to do alright against Slovakia, but it won't work against one of the best midfields.
A fully match-fit Wilshere would probably do better in that role but it's not going to happen.
― Matt DC, Monday, 20 June 2016 12:33 (eight years ago) link
Those diagonal passes might work with really lethal wide players but if you're playing them to Sterling all the time you might as well be hoofing it into the stands.
― Matt DC, Monday, 20 June 2016 12:34 (eight years ago) link
a bunch of them have been more horizontal than diagonal, which doesn't help
― Noodle Vague, Monday, 20 June 2016 12:43 (eight years ago) link
but yeah I can see a "Rooney is the best approximation of a player we don't actually have" argument
― Noodle Vague, Monday, 20 June 2016 12:44 (eight years ago) link
Rooney also out of the team for tonight, along with Kane, Alli, Sterling, Walker and Rose. Vardy, Studge, Wilshere, Henderson, Clyne and Bertrand in.
― Windsor Davies, Monday, 20 June 2016 13:29 (eight years ago) link
No Rashford? I'm out
― Number None, Monday, 20 June 2016 15:42 (eight years ago) link
Conflicted abt which one to see
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 20 June 2016 18:53 (eight years ago) link
I only have ITV HD, and not ITV2 HD, so my mind was made up for me
― Drop soap, not bombs (Ste), Monday, 20 June 2016 19:10 (eight years ago) link
Ramsayyyyyy!
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:10 (eight years ago) link
Wooooooo Ramsey!
― Drop soap, not bombs (Ste), Monday, 20 June 2016 19:11 (eight years ago) link
(Idk what's on what Ste, not in uk)
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:11 (eight years ago) link
Ah I see :) Lovley finish.
That Joe Allen pass...
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/07/article-2244650-165EA80A000005DC-92_634x412.jpg
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:13 (eight years ago) link
That was nearly amazing from Henderson.
― Matt DC, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:16 (eight years ago) link
Loooool Taylor! 2-0
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:20 (eight years ago) link
Wonderful oversight by Bale there
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:21 (eight years ago) link
Oh my word. Get the fuck in!
― groovypanda, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:21 (eight years ago) link
Russia have utterly disgraced themselves in the tournament
― Number None, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:22 (eight years ago) link
^^ I think Taylor muttered that to himself after that godawful first try
Xp
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:22 (eight years ago) link
https://youtu.be/mwFBWTRjhiE
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 June 2016 19:27 (eight years ago) link
Timing is off but you get the picture
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 June 2016 19:29 (eight years ago) link
Unbelievable miss there. Bale is rampant.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:30 (eight years ago) link
Russia is only, what, 300 times the size of Wales?
― Matt DC, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:36 (eight years ago) link
a quick google suggests it's over 800x as big, although only ~47x as populous
― ogmor, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:43 (eight years ago) link
814 times
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:45 (eight years ago) link
what abt india vs west indies
― nakhchivan, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:46 (eight years ago) link
Despite Russian possession we should probably be 3 or 4 up at HT from some of the chances we've missed.
― groovypanda, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:50 (eight years ago) link
only 47x
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 June 2016 19:50 (eight years ago) link
after those pissy comments from ronaldo i went through the footballers from madeira wikipedia category to see if it could field a competitive team vs iceland (it is about 20% smaller) and i think it could probably do so
there's a reasonable contingent of minor primeira liga players and some from the second division, though no goalkeeper, but as well as ronaldo they could play ruben micael in midfield, and danny behind ronaldo
― nakhchivan, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:50 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, hope Wales dont come to rue those missed chances. Though Russia are utter, utter shite. Should be a comfy win.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:52 (eight years ago) link
just noticed my youtube link didnt embed!
bc it was posted from mobile maybe?
from desktop this time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwFBWTRjhiE
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 June 2016 19:54 (eight years ago) link
Starting to think Russia has some sweet dough riding on a loss here. They are throwing it.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 20 June 2016 20:04 (eight years ago) link
this reminds me of a dunphy quote from 2008
"There's sort of a melancholy about the Russian psyche, a willingness to be beaten. Much like the Welsh..."
― nakhchivan, Monday, 20 June 2016 20:07 (eight years ago) link
Ignatievich being subbed and noone wants the captains band o_O
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 20 June 2016 20:08 (eight years ago) link
Thats a decent quote Nakh
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 20 June 2016 20:09 (eight years ago) link
new ts
robert lewandowski or corey lewandowski
perfect way to amalgamate us elections and euros threads
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 June 2016 20:10 (eight years ago) link
This is way too suspicious
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 20 June 2016 20:11 (eight years ago) link
"wayne rooney is imminent"
― ogmor, Monday, 20 June 2016 20:12 (eight years ago) link
imminentizing the everton
― nakhchivan, Monday, 20 June 2016 20:13 (eight years ago) link
got to slow it down.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 20 June 2016 20:14 (eight years ago) link
lol
― nakhchivan, Monday, 20 June 2016 20:14 (eight years ago) link
sturridge looks a level ahead of the other england players
― imago, Monday, 20 June 2016 20:15 (eight years ago) link
maybe it's just the parallax but that lofted crossfield pass seemed to be moving at twp footspeed until eventually it sailed out of bounds about 10ft above clyne's head
― nakhchivan, Monday, 20 June 2016 20:15 (eight years ago) link
Bale 3-0
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 20 June 2016 20:23 (eight years ago) link
Welsh tiki taka