jenny mccarthy wants your kid to get measles: autism, vaccines, and stupid idiots

why the fuck anyone would give anyone measles on purpose in an age where it's extremely uncommon is beyond me, that sounds criminal

I only heard about chickenpox parties recently from other grown-ups recounting their childhood. "Oh remember when our moms got everybody together to catch chicken pox and just get it over with?" Fuck no. I caught it at school.

There was a South Park episode about chicken pox parties that aired 18 (!) years ago.

Chickenpox begins to spread throughout South Park, and infects Stan's sister Shelley and Kenny. The other boys' mothers begin to think that maybe the other boys should be exposed to it too, so as to get it while they are young and it is easier to deal with. They agree and have the other boys stay over at Kenny's house. The boys are less than enthusiastic about spending the night over at Kenny's because he is so poor, comparing his home to a third-world country when they discover rats, a black-and-white television, and a ColecoVision game system; even the dinner served there is a meager waffle per person with no side dishes. The next day, Cartman and Stan get sick, but not Kyle. Stan's chickenpox gets so bad he has to be brought to the hospital with Shelley. Mrs. Broflovski tries sending Kyle over to Kenny's house again, much to Kyle's protests; she even invents a game for Kyle and Kenny to play called "Ooky Mouth", which involves Kenny spitting in Kyle's mouth while Kyle tries to say "Ooky Mouth".

The kids get their revenge by getting a prostitute with herpes to lick their parents' toothbrushes and other personal care items.

I don't know - in the early 80smif kids got measles or chicken pox etc you got them together to get it. I think the idea was that you get exposed to it sooner or later, it's better to get it young. Maybe this was pre-vaccine? A 30+ friend of mine got chicken pox recently and lost his sight.

The vaccine was introduced in the mid-90s.

always such a bummer when i find out friends who otherwise seem very cool and smart are anti-vax

a FB friend who i've known since high school, very cool person, went to art school w/ my brother, has a couple adorable kids and someone i've thought it would be cool to re-connect w/ started posting all this shit about the propaganda film vaxxed and how "you can't believe everything you see and hear, you have to think for yourself" ughhhh

the vaccine was introduced in europe earlier than that, it would have been 1995 when I got it. wikipedia says 1984.

ugh, marcos, I've got the friend, too. Even pics of her cute kids were not enough to save her from the unfollow button.

I was inoculated for measles and mumps and everything as a kid (thanks to having a father in the military, vaccine schedules were *strict*), but was well into my 20s by the time the chicken pox vaccine was introduced in the US and never even thought about it. My doctor had me get it *last year.*

congratulations!

I would like to use this thread to plug the book Neurotribes, which is a very good cultural/medical history of asd.

The book covers the Wakefield controversy in depth but the rest of it is way more interesting (to me). I liked this interview with the author; the comments have some counterpoints to his POV from the autism blogging community.

http://nypost.com/2016/09/20/i-was-an-anti-vax-crackpot-until-this-happened/

nothing like a baby spraying diarrhea all over you to make you rethink life

District Attorney hosting Jenny McC. event, with punchline:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Reporter-ousted-from-autism-event-Bexar-DA-was-9520372.php

https://twitter.com/KillerMike/status/787756273055961088

Ugh, first "Hillary is more dangerous than Trump" and now this. I still think R.A.P. Music is a masterpiece, and I guess I still like him as a person, but this is certainly making the latter more difficult to support.

can't believe a rapper who likes ron paul is an antivaxxer

I guess I still like him as a person

based on what exactly

that Law & Order episode where he plays a rapper named "Gots Money" who is involved in animal smuggling

The episode of "God Awful Movies" where they excoriate "Vaxxed," with the help of Yvette d'Entremont.

If you want to hear a group of snarky assholes ripping into the work of even bigger assholes, dig it:

https://audioboom.com/posts/5123734-gam059-vaxxed

so a friend's friend is trying to tell me that obama signed an executive order making vaccinations compulsory, and maybe i'm just dumb but i don't see any remote reference to that here:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=119627

can someone more knowledgable than me let me know if i can tell her she's delusional?

She's delusional

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy#Compulsory_vaccination

Scroll to the US specific part

Vaccination policy is entirely a local matter, not a federal one, afaik

Thanks!

Bout fuckin' time:

http://www.vox.com/2016/11/18/13676834/ftc-homeopathy-crackdown-regulation

The FTC’s policy statement explains that the agency will now ask that the makers of homeopathic drugs present reliable scientific evidence for their health claims if they want to sell them to consumers on the US market.

On how the post-truth, Trump-reality blows a harsh, cold wind on the European mainland too: yesterday our most popular late night show had three 'concerned anti-vaxxer mums' at the table, against one actual vaccination expert. Three morans against one person who actually knew what she was talking about. Needless to say, it's the mums that got traction on social media today. These are truly dark days.

I thought for sure this got bumped because Jenny McCarthy was named Surgeon General or something.

Lolololol

I love the FTC's new labeling suggestions from that article

An [over-the-counter] homeopathic drug claim that is not substantiated by competent and reliable scientific evidence might not be deceptive if the advertisement or label where it appears effectively communicates that: 1) there is no scientific evidence that the product works; and 2) the product’s claims are based only on theories of homeopathy from the 1700s that are not accepted by most modern medical experts.

I used to work in a pharmacy back in another long ago life, and the pharmacist himself was very scathing about all the homeopathic hoo haa he sold. When I asked why he sold it, he was quite happy to admit he'd part fools from their money.

Noted Antivaxxer RFKJR. being favored by DJT for guess what:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/us/politics/donald-trump-transition.html?_r=0

On NBC News, sources say, "No decisions have been made at this time", about forming the committee or appointing Kennedy, although he says they've approached him.

ship in story owned and operated by the church of scientology (tho sadly not the SEA ORG)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cruise-ship-st-lucia-quarantined-over-confirmed-measles-case-n1000751?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

It's kind of amazing how quickly anti-vaxxers hopped on the Hydroxychloroquine train.

But I guess not so much because Quacks.

it's also hilarious because their whole thing is the supposed negative effects of vaccines, and the side effects of hydroxychloroquine are worse

was it this morning or yesterday morning? I popped into facebook to see what misery everyone was knee-deep in, and a friend who's been pretty good about keeping all his other friends wallowing in his same sort of misery shared a thing about some new Federal Nurse Official or something? that Don appointed? who apparently people found out once said something about alien DNA and getting sick from having sex with demons? it's 2020 so I kinda read it and went heh yeah figures and took it as fact and went on with my day

Madonna of course

https://www.vulture.com/2020/07/madonnas-coronavirus-post-flagged-by-instagram.html?utm_medium=s1&utm_campaign=vulture&utm_source=tw

two of my friends have had their Rx company state they can't give them enough for a 90 day supply of their hydrochloroquine thanks to shortages due to people who don't need it abusing it for this shit.

"people don't want to hear the truth", she said.

yeah, our ignorance of the "truth" is really blissful right now. life has never been better!

Antivaxxers are the biggest, most heartless ghouls. I've never seen people who celebrate the death of strangers more. pic.twitter.com/65Tx3azGGS

— Mike Rothschild (@rothschildmd) March 26, 2022

To be fair, the Foo Fighters were also ghouls for their AIDS denialism.

Children's Health Defense, RFK Jr.'s anti-vaxx org, was banned on Facebook and Insta today for "misinformation that could cause physical harm." pic.twitter.com/x0AHNeZ8Jj

— Brandy Zadrozny (@BrandyZadrozny) August 18, 2022

I'm still 1000% pro-vax, but beware careless jabbers -- my wife got shingles shot #1 a couple of months ago and the jabber placed it too high on her arm, getting her in the tendon instead of just the muscle, so now she's got SIRVA/tendonitis and is in constant low-level pain. A course of steroids brought down the inflammation and gave her pain relief for a few days but that was only temporary, and she's going to PT for six weeks which ain't gon' be free. When they're swabbing you pre-shot, take note if they seem to be higher up than just deltoid.

jesus christ!

I'm sorry to hear this man. A close friend of mine had the SAME thing happen. He was getting caught up on his shots, and IIRC his doctor said the nurse who usually did it for him was out, but he said he could do it for him and messed up. He's better now, but it was a slow recovery.

yeah, I had a shot that aggravated stuff in my shoulder, hurt pretty much all last year, ended up in PT for a couple months. It's better now, but not 100%. I don't think it was strictly caused by the shot, it was a preexisting injury that only started to hurt after I got the vax.

I've been reading up a bit on SIRVA and it seems to be very underreported/underdiagnosed. I wonder how many problems cited by antivaxxers are badly placed jabs misunderstood to be something else.