Repeal the Second Amendment

hugs to you, jake

The worse that could happen would be losing my job or being blacklisted from my line of work. I honestly care about what I do, it's constructive and I'm very good at quality control/inspection. But man, it has it's price.

it's kinda like being in the military. or being a cop in a lot of places. i dunno, ultimately it's up to you and how much you can take. i mean you've been doing that kinda work for a while, right?

Is this thread googleable?

― JacobSanders, Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:27 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've deindexed the thread, but it may take a few days for it to filter out of search results. From a few cursory searches using combinations of your name and gun-related keywords though, this thread doesn't turn up in the first few pages. Hope it helps, anyway.

woo just saw the news: https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/743320464408248325

Good analysis of the "quiet" pro gun control trend in federal courts.
http://blogs.reuters.com/alison-frankel/2016/06/13/federal-courts-are-quietly-allowing-gun-control-and-scotus-is-letting-them/

estrict anything deemed a "right" based on an arbitrary lost with no due process whatsoever and you open the door to same for other rights.

There's no right to board commercial flights. Nor have the Federal courts supported an individual right to possess firearms.

I don't have a problem with repeat visitors to the ISIS web magazine <i>Dabiq</i> being placed on anti-terror watchlists. I do recognize the slippery slope of curtailing freedom of speech by making readers fearful of accessing controversial viewpoints. I'd draw the line at websites advocating violence, for example, those with "assassination lists" of abortion providers. And provide some means for individuals to appeal their placement. Journalists, for example, should be able to visit <i>Dabiq</i> without repercussions.

Nor have the Federal courts supported an individual right to possess firearms.

There's this obscure federal court you might want to check out called the Supreme Court

I would 1000% rather have domestic violence abusers unable to buy firearms than people on the FBI watch list, in whatever form that takes (which they can neither confirm nor deny).

Also p sure even the constitutionality of the no-fly list is an open question.

I didn't know the filibuster was pushing for universal background checks. That seems like a real step forward, much more than the watch list restriction.

Yeah, that's great. And, naturally, it's completely insane that it wasn't already a thing.

My number one gun ban of choice atm would be the 'attended a Trump rally in the spirit of anything other than protest' list.

universal background checks are a much better idea and more likely to be found constitutional imo

Joe the Biden weighs in

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/response-your-petition-banning-ar-15-civilian-ownership-0

My number one gun ban of choice atm would be the 'attended a Trump rally in the spirit of anything other than protest' list.

― Manspread Mann (Old Lunch)

now we are all ratfuckers

You gotta admit, that's one fuckable rat.

(One would hope that my occasional 'defeat fascism with fascism' asides are taken in the pessimistically-facetious manner in which they are intended.)

OK, what the hell is going on...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/alejandro-fuentes-the-voice-dead-1.3642512

gun ppl are so weird

http://i.imgur.com/JitTLuY.png

guns don't kill people, power asynchrony curves kill people

(also there were armed people in the bar but whatever)

that asynchrony post makes me want to own a gun for different reasons

Last few days have really (further) underscored the racist bullshit hypocrisy of the NRA. So a man, legally carrying with permit, gets shot in his car in cold blood while following protocol, and where's the NRA defending the rights of permitted concealed carry citizens? Then after months and years of bullshit we-need-guns-to-fight-tyrrany arguments, gunmen in Dallas apparently do just that, and no way does the NRA accept responsibility for fostering that kind of attitude. Fuckers.

Pointed out by a friend. It is obvious, but sometimes the obvious needs to be stated. Texas is one of the most lax states when it comes to gun restrictions. So many armed people, more or less anything goes. And yet a person or persons with an assault rifle was able to murder several police officers and injure several more. What are guns rights people going to say? That there weren't enough guns? That this would not have happened if even more people were carrying assault rifles? Total fuckers.

Then after months and years of bullshit we-need-guns-to-fight-tyrrany arguments, gunmen in Dallas apparently do just that

i was thinking the same thing!! in these people's minds they were fighting tyranny. sounds like the system is working just like it's supposed to,right?

No, silly libtard, the only people authorized to fight tyranny with their arsenals of weaponry are white rancher-type guys in big hats. They wear camo and they forget snacks. Try to keep up.

Pointed out by a friend. It is obvious, but sometimes the obvious needs to be stated. Texas is one of the most lax states when it comes to gun restrictions. So many armed people, more or less anything goes. And yet a person or persons with an assault rifle was able to murder several police officers and injure several more. What are guns rights people going to say? That there weren't enough guns? That this would not have happened if even more people were carrying assault rifles? Total fuckers.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, July 8, 2016 9:41 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes, this is a point very much worth reiterating but it's also a point that will fall on many deaf ears, largely because the NRA's agenda is not exactly logically watertight.

yeah, but can you just imagine how quickly the shooter would have been taken down if there had been just /one/ person there with a gun? oh, wait...

in all sincerity, yes, this week just underscores (several times) how much the NRA's agenda (and its members) are motivated by racial hatred and paranoia, not by any principled (that should be in scare quotes!) concern for the constitution.

i.e. it's an institution of white supremacy.

All aboard the chutzpah express: GOP rips Obama after Dallas shooting

Worth reading if only for Ben Carson Ben Carsoning it up.

If we are weak at home, we are weak around the world and this is an example of a weakness when our president goes overseas and has a terrible tragedy like this is an idea why we've got to solve ourself.

cool story bro

"I think all of us in public life, the president included, should reexamine everything we’ve said, everything we’ve done up to this point to see if in our public discourse we’ve contributed in any way," Rubio told reporters in Washington, adding, "I think all of us need to reexamine constantly in this country and whether it contributes to the nation moving forward or whether sometimes we're unnecessarily pitting people against each other. And I hold myself to that standard as well."

Yeah, Obama, I'm looking at you, you Divider in Chief.

why in god's name does anyone in the press interview ben carson for anything? he's a retired neurosurgeon with no political experience or expertise who mounted an unsuccessful campaign for president. leave him alone.

god forbid obama be out of the country when anything happens. wouldn't want our heads of state go to other countries for any reason ever.

fuck these people.

xpost Because he's an adult who entertainingly answers questions like a precocious four-year-old who watches the news with his parents?

our democracy is totally fucked.

if they go this ham on obama, whose every word is measured to the utmost, imagine what they will say with hillary clinton, who is much more ham-fisted and less articulate, in office. oy.

"All those protesters last night, they turned around and ran the other way expecting the men and women in blue to protect them. What hypocrites!" an audibly emotional Patrick said.

this is a perfect example of the kind of gut-level, nonrational response to things that seems to govern the right-wing mindset. it makes a kind of brute emotional sense, and it helps consolidate a vision of us-vs.-them, so let's just go with it.

it's also an example of the precise sort of thinking that people with authority are supposed to resist and dispel.

It's also a crazy "us vs. them" because it assumes that BLM protestors are all agitators, are all anti-cop, and in reality most of them are people just like my neighbors, peaceful people, active in their community, church-goers and the like, just looking for some way to stop the violence.

So goddamned sick of the reflexive IF YOU BAN FIREARMS CRIMINALS WILL JUST GET THEM ILLEGALLY argument. Where do these morons think illegally-obtained weapons come from, the Illegal Gun Fairy? The only reason they're "readily" available is because they're either bought legally, moved across state lines and resold; stolen in shipping; or stolen from "law-abiding gun owners'" cars, homes and purses, for the most part. Dry up those three areas of supply and the market for "illegal guns" would become much less prolific.

(I say "readily" in scare quotes because most people don't need to go to the trouble, whatever gun they need usually being available at Wal-Mart, Dicks Sporting Goods or a local dealer; and if they were somehow not able to buy what they wanted there, the average person would have no idea who to go to to get one illegally.)

new inquiry runs a critical history of the AR-15

http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/recoil-operation/

This week in Responsible Gun Ownership, local meth-head runs stop sign, crashes into woman's car, pushes her into intersection, exits his own vehicle and shoots her dead with a rifle.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/08/twinsburg_woman_identified_as.html

http://www.cleveland.com/solon/index.ssf/2016/08/solon_police_identify_man_char.html

http://www.pressunion.org/2016-toddler-now-shot-person-every-week-us-two-years-straight/

I saw that yesterday and was thinking of posting it to the "I am considering buying a gun" thread but couldn't find it

So crazy it reads like straight satire.

I am considering buying a toddler a gun.

I'm sure there's someone out there batshit insane enough to argue that maybe toddlers are the real problem.

How often do dogs shoot people?

Mind you, in America, they do

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/10/3d-print-a-serial-free-handgun-at-home-with-the-latest-ghost-gunner-update/