WTF?: "Seinfeld"'s Michael 'Kramer' Richards in Weird-o-Rama Onstage Meltdown

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(find surprising the amount of controversy because of what he said, I mean)

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

Dude this record is wild, Davy's talking about how the FBI seems to crack down on draft card burners easier than they catch church burners, and how when Juan Marichal clocked Johnny Roseboro with a bat he should've been arrested for impersonating a police officer. YSI coming in about an hour.

― nate p. (natepatrin), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

f'reals. xpost

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― elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

- A black dude from Canada just trying to understand ([email protected]), November 21st, 2006.

Oh, and also, hi Bobby Ganush!

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

the sept 11 comment is less funny now that i know

― i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:11 (nineteen years ago)

hurting, julien is real

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

Ah ok. Sorry then Julien! I over-read-into "Juice Rocks" as some kind of racist joke by Bobby.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:14 (nineteen years ago)

"so you're suggesting that "50 years ago you'd be hanging from a tree with a fork in your ass" is a good place to start this dialogue?

just checking."

That's a good place to start. Let it all hang out, kids.

― maria b (maria b), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm not a racist, that's what's so insane about this," he said.

oh shit!

jaymc, nude spock, stet: YOU GUYS WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG!

SORRY DUDES!

LOCK THREAD!

― mahalo 4 ur kokua (grady), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:20 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder if the same level of controversy would have been generated if he had berated the hecklers along racial lines without saying the "N" word?

With "Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with a f***ing fork up your ass", I'd say controversy was headed Richards' way. In fact, I think in one way that's the more astonishing part of his rant, due to the ugliness of sentiment undergirding it.

― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:21 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I think it was the bald-faced hostility and hatred toward black people that makes it such an object of criticism.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:25 (nineteen years ago)

he was trying some sorta edgy routine that he didn't have the finesse to pull off and then when it went bad kept digging a bigger and bigger hole (from what i can tell about his cbs appearance above he ain't stopped yet) - dude's career is in a bit of a rut, he's definitely typecast/seen as 'kramer' which was probably a more limiting role to be stuck in than any of the others on seinfeld so he needs a shocking new direction to move in so there's some other aspect to him (saget's sorta done this in a way - ppl are nearly as aware of his blue rep as they are of his full house/afhv persona)(and when i saw that guy he got heckled LIKE crazy and dealt with it easily) for ppl to react to (for him to get work from), he sees borat racking huge laffs, $$$ working un-pc faultlines, he sees larry david racking huge laffs, $$$ working a confrontational asshole routine and he thinks 'well, maybe this will work' and then he forgets to be funny. there are white comedians who could (or could've at least, i can't name a white standup worth a fuck right now) get away with saying 'nigger' or anything on stage - lenny bruce, sam kinison. there are comedians who can have entire routines filled with warped hatred and STILL be funny - eddie murphy's raw is considerably more twisted and longer and way over the line than kramer's tirade (though to be fair at no point does murphy say call any particular women in the crowd 'bitches' or threaten to rape any of them)(or presumably stalk them after the show - hi there nude spock!), but OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE: IT'S FUNNY. murphy's able to pull it off and whether it's worth pulling off is debateable also but it's defendable. kramer doesn't pull it off and this isn't defendable. (cf. ying yang twins 'whisper song' vs. ying yang twins 'salt shaker' - same act, same sexual politics but i love listening to the latter while the former repulses me).

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:25 (nineteen years ago)

NOSTRADUMS OF YOUTOOB:

thegoyim (11 hours ago)
This guy is one fucked up individual damn thats messed up if you pay attention he says thats what happens when u intterupt the white man. You can tell he really means it too that the most horrible thing and I used to like the character of Kramer not that much anymore. There will eventually be a giant race war In Los Angeles mark my words.

― songs and ballads of the bituminous miners (sanskrit), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

lol

― mahalo 4 ur kokua (grady), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:28 (nineteen years ago)

but the whisper song is awesome

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:28 (nineteen years ago)

I used to like the character of Kramer not that much anymore.

LOL "i now must reassess my love for this Kramer character"

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:30 (nineteen years ago)

THE BATTLE FOR GONDOR IS OVER, LET THE RACE WAR OF KRAMER BEGIN

― songs and ballads of the bituminous miners (sanskrit), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

Applebees will be the first to go, crackers.

― mahalo 4 ur kokua (grady), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:33 (nineteen years ago)

You just know someone in the media is desperatly trying to get an interview with Bill Cosby on this.

― mahalo 4 ur kokua (grady), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:34 (nineteen years ago)

There will eventually be a giant race war In Los Angeles mark my words.

http://www.blaxploitation.com/images/cover_gifs/cover_the_warriors.gif

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:36 (nineteen years ago)

watching this, the part that creeps me out is "that's what happens when you interrupt the white man!"

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:36 (nineteen years ago)

To my ears that line still sounds like *grasping at comedic straws*

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:38 (nineteen years ago)

Guy 'Just Giving You A Hard Time' Truly Despise You
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/55267

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:40 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, what creeps me out about it is that he sort of tries to say the last two words in a "wacky" way, as if it only occurred to him halfway through the line that this whole "edgy" tangent isn't going so well and he might as well try to pretend the whole thing was just typical wacky kramer hijinks. x-post

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:42 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, "That's what happens *fuck, this isn't working* when you interrupt the (FULL ON KRAMER) WHITE man!!"

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:45 (nineteen years ago)

Dammit Hoosteen you just reminded me of that Tony Scott remake, blah

― nate p. (natepatrin), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:49 (nineteen years ago)

Letterman gets right down to it: "I blame Borat."

― Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:49 (nineteen years ago)

Here is the YSI for the (ridiculously out of print) Dick Davy record I mentioned upthread. It's all one file, about 40 minutes/38 minutes.

― nate p. (natepatrin), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:54 (nineteen years ago)

There will eventually be a giant race war In Los Angeles mark my words.

--WARRIORS PIC--

More like:

http://www.sentimentosdilacerados.blogger.com.br/charles%20manson.jpg

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:54 (nineteen years ago)

Reggie Denny didn't photograph too well

― nate p. (natepatrin), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:55 (nineteen years ago)

You're a good man, Nate P.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:56 (nineteen years ago)

watching this, the part that creeps me out is "that's what happens when you interrupt the white man!"

naw, if there's a saving grace to this mess, that's it. i mean, that's so not funny that ...

― literalisp (literalisp), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:58 (nineteen years ago)

letterman is on now, and fuck is it awkward..

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 05:03 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, is this Letterman live? It's really confrontational and awkward. I can't believe the crowd was laughing a bit in the beginning.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 05:05 (nineteen years ago)

Some more about Dick Davy's masterwork:

Recorded live at the Apollo Theatre in New York in 1966. Davy, from Arkansas, talks with a drawl thicker than molasses.... 7 routines including Opening, Greyhound Bus, Non-Violence, New York Blackout, Things is Getting Better, New York Signs and Times is Changing...liner notes by Merv Griffin, Produced by John Hammond

Merv Griffin?!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 05:06 (nineteen years ago)

i missed the beginning! i wanted to see seinfeld tell them to shutup

michael richards voice was shaking. whole thing is pretty sad i think

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 05:09 (nineteen years ago)

kramer came across like a truly tortured soul.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 05:10 (nineteen years ago)

he is our tortured amerikkkan psyche in clown's makeup. wait, that's jerry lewis.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 05:11 (nineteen years ago)

now they're back from commercial and its wacky seinfeld comedy WTFAWKWARD

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 05:11 (nineteen years ago)

am0n otm (cept bout the whisper song)(shit's SLOW).

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 05:12 (nineteen years ago)

kramer came across like a truly tortured soul.

i didn't say that. just seemed really nervous, as he should

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 05:13 (nineteen years ago)

i know you didn't say that. i just said that.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 05:15 (nineteen years ago)

Merv Griffin?!

-- Ned Raggett (ne...)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Seinfeld_s9e6.jpg

― anticon jemima (ooo), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 05:20 (nineteen years ago)

a million miles AWAAAAAAY

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 05:25 (nineteen years ago)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xxl5QJFCqwY

― Noilly Prat (kenan), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 05:34 (nineteen years ago)

roffles @ the Seinfeld ad next to that Onion article

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 21 November 2006 05:38 (nineteen years ago)

i know you didn't say that. i just said that.

thought you were mocking the comment i made. my bad

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 05:45 (nineteen years ago)

why does it have to be "kramer" that goes and does this instead of someone really talentless like jim belushi or.. chris titus

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 05:58 (nineteen years ago)

well, kramer IS kinda nuts and those guys are just boring.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 06:00 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not trying to defend what he said, or play Devil's Advocate just for the hell of it, but for whatever reasons, I can't shake the feeling that this is just some bizarre, lapse in judgement. A bit borne out of frustration, which went horribly awry. Maybe I just don't want to believe that the man who played one of my favourite TV characters ever, could actually believe the things he said, and this is actually where his head's at. Regardless, it's going to be pretty hard to ever live this down. In my experience, people who really hold these types of beliefs are often much more careful about slipping up and actually saying anything out loud. Or maybe it's like what Eddie Murphy said in Delirious:

Racism ain't as bad as it used to be anyway man.
I mean its fucked up but,
They don't call niggers, niggers no more and shit.
White people don't say it.
Especially when there's niggers around.
So I guess I wouldn't know.

― Hurting, I assure you that I am very real. (Julien Sandiford), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 06:31 (nineteen years ago)

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