Netflix show Making a Murderer - Steven Avery case, etc

did not realize steven is only like 5ft 3inches tall

That's the same height as my dad. I wonder if he is guilty.

Also Muggsy Bogues.

Just watched most of this again, this time with my Dad (we got the idea due to the Manitowoc County PD getting another bizarre online shooting threat over this). He works for them so it's kinda funny to see him point out all the guys he knows - "this guy was in our house last month!" - not to mention little glimpses in the courtroom of people I went to school with. Much more surreal the second time around, plus I feel I'm not as biased anymore since who the hell knows. At this point I'm convinced there are multiple parties hiding something here, whether he's guilty or not there is no single narrative that seems to fit what we know. If he killed her it almost certainly didn't happen the way the prosecution claims it did, if he didn't then they caught a crazy number of lucky breaks along the way. Nothing makes logical sense unless there were multiple parties doing not-very-well-thought-out things at the same time during the search of the Avery property.

Netflix has commissioned a follow-up to this. Can't imagine there's enough to sustain a whole new miniseries but I guess we'll see.

yeah it's kind of strange because outside of the release of the documentary itself effectively nothing has happened in the case. like what's to be gleaned from this besides "yep they're still in jail"...hard to believe there's some smoking gun here we don't know about

A federal judge has ordered Brendan Dassey released: http://nordic.businessinsider.com/making-a-murderer-brendan-dassey-conviction-overturned-2016-8?r=US&IR=T

Just watched this. The ex-boyfriend looked suspicious to me

Ikr?

Has there ever been an instance where a DA declined to prosecute a defendant, despite having a winning case, because she felt strongly that the defendant was indeed innocent? Wouldn't that be heartening.

(And I don't nec mean oh yeah the ex did the murder, just that he looked a little bit too in control, a bit calculated, then the business with the phone messages etc)

Dassey to be released this Friday!

That's awesome. So I'm not terribly well-versed in these things but...since Avery's conviction hinged to such a great extent on Dassey's testimony, would Dassey's release be enough to get Avery a retrial?

since he didn't testify at the trial, I would think, maybe not?

Didn't the prosecution in the end choose not to involve Dassey in the Avery trial, probably because they realized Avery's great lawyers would tear it to pieces, then turn around and prosecute Dassey anyway?

Addicted to this, about a year after everyone else... Not read the thread obviously, but can't believe some of what I'm seeing.

there must be loads they're not showing, right? The prosecution keep mentioning Steven's 'real character' and his crimes ramping up, seems like it's referring to something not discussed/shown?

keep waiting for the twist - or some answers - but feeling quite depressed that there doesn't seem to be any coming.

ok seen it all now going to read this thread and google everything I can. Parked next to a RAV4 this morning and freaked myself out a bit when I clocked it.

somehow i feel like brendan's first attorney's investigator (the focus of the final episode) might be the most evil person in the entire thing

YES I said this EXACT thing.
I also said that mild-mannered Kratz looked exactly like the person who'd get up to some nasty shit in his private life, and like 5 minutes later the texting stuff happened

This has been bothering me: in the closing arguments of Steven's case, the prosecution says to the jury that if you say he's not guilty then you're saying the Sheriff's dept are guilty of the serious set-up crimes etc. Surely that's not the case? Been a while since I did jury duty (UK) but the judge was very clear when instructing the jury that all you need is to have reasonable doubt, not be beyond reasonable doubt that an alternative chain of events happened. That's not what's on trial, and imo a judge would not be able to instruct that or have someone suggest that's how verdicts work?

Looks like Brendan didn't get out: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/17/brendan-dassey-making-a-murderer-release-blocked-appeals-court

Wasn't sure where to post this, but this thread seemed like the best for people who are interested in true crime stuff on Netflix. The post below was from a year ago on the law &order svu thread. The documentary is coming to Netflix on May 19.

http://people.com/crime/sister-cathy-cesnik-murder-netflix-documentary/

A member of my family is a survivor of sexual abuse by a priest in Baltimore in the late 60s/early 70s. She's gone through a lot, met with other survivors, and become an activist. I'm pretty impressed by how far she's come. Last fall I got to attend a meeting with her and the other survivors while they were being interviewed for a documentary. I'm not sure of the status of that project, but I just found out that last week's SVU was loosely based on the case. She's a longtime L&O fan and while I haven't asked her about it directly, I hear she's very stoked.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/14/cesnik-nun-murder-maskell_n_7267532.html

http://www.nbc.com/law-and-order-special-victims-unit/video/unholiest-alliance/2998226

― how's life, Monday, March 28, 2016 2:35 PM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khr7dbuBjuE

Awesome!

Yeah, we're excited that the story is getting out there these days, because a couple of decades ago I remember the general response to this was "these women are just making this up to get money out of the catholic church." I'm sure some people will still feel that way, but in the past few years there's been a real community that's developed among the women who attended this high school and/or suffered the abuse.

That said, I'm kinda anxious about how much attention it's going to get and what kind of nuts are going to come out of the woodwork about this.

If you get a chance listen to the CASEFILE podcast episode 'The Catholic Mafia'. No one dies but its pretty shocking.

Oh shit! Will check it out for sure.

man fuck your shitty corrupt country

but first make zellner president

tbh the whole series was utterly frustrating (if compelling) - here's yet another brilliant refutation of the case! oh wait it doesn't matter though because you are fighting an enemy that will not let you win

i could listen to taped phone calls of steve & his mom all day, something abt their exchanging like single words or fragments of phrases i really love and id w/ on some level idk

zellner is v good

bobby dasseys search history is a trip - http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Exhibits-Part-1-of-2.pdf

https://nypost.com/2019/09/23/wisconsin-inmate-confesses-to-infamous-making-a-murderer-slay-report/

so there's a new documentary-style show in post-production that seems to take the prosecution's side? if the confession by someone completely unrelated pans out, they're going to look... not good

is it supposed to be taking their side? Or merely focuing on them?

the title seems to imply a conclusion

"sadly, the inmate who confessed to the murder later flung himself down six flights of stairs and died"

this song will singlehandedly get Dassey out of prison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRlXzoIZ0hk

classic for "everyone loves my brother like they love bbq ribs".