Bill Clinton: Classic or Dud?

the inexplicable lib love for him is gonna get a severe test when he gets Trump elected. Hope for a fatal stroke before Labor Day.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/05/politics/bill-clinton-bernie-sanders-protesters/index.html

"inexplicable Dem love for him" you mean. No liberal I know does.

Is this where exiles from the vile election thread gather?

well, based on the author of the revive, it's where vile exiles of the election thread gather. vexiles, if you will.

and morbs’s strawman has got to be reaching wicker-man size by now; i’m surprised he can fit it in his brain

DUD

Saying "blue lives matter" on stage tonight following the mothers who spoke, what a piece of shit.

Did he use that phrase?

p sure he did, the quote was a little weird and I need to watch it again, but he also made it sound like african american men needed to make cops feel safe, if I heard correctly

directly before that he said something about how African Americans feeling safe from the cops so whatever, give him a pass

Ok, wait sorry he didn't actually use the phrase. He said:

"If you're a young African American disillusioned and afraid, we saw in Dallas how great our police officers can be, help us build a future where no one's afraid to walk outside, including the people who wear blue to protect our future."

Not quite as bad but I still do not like it. There was also some other weird "lives matter" moment but it was another confusing quote, will try to find it.

Some CNN panelist afterward was talking about how "important" it was that Bill reminded America that Hilary was once an "object of desire." Felt like this was the worst take of the night.

It just came off kind of like he was saying that young African Americans should help make the cops feel safer.

I'm also less inclined to give him a pass on his "lives matter" stuff because of that speech from earlier in the campaign.

He's out of touch, which is why we haven't seen him much on the campaign trail

he's clearly not well

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/135553/bill-clinton-took-part-dnc-speech-memoir

Bill did his job with that speech to the convention about Hillary. You don't have to like his approach to politics to know he is a master of bringing people along to the mindset he wants them to adopt. His mastery of the tools of rhetoric and oratory are evident to anyone who understands those tools.

Lots of backlash from Muslim Americans on Twitter about the 'if you are Muslim and love America and freedom we want you to stay here' comments as well.

Yeah that was slippery and gross as well, same as the statement about African Americans but worse

this is not his era. he is a 70 year old center-right politician from arkansas.

It felt like he was making these really awkward attempts to signal center-right leaning voters that he has their concerns at heart while also sort of sounding like he was taking the liberal position, and it didn't seem to me like it was working in either direction.

is it just me or is "change maker" a really clunky and awful phrase to keep using in a speech?

Not just you. I felt the same way, strongly.

he was trying to shake loose the perception of her as the "establishment" candidate

Saying she's "one of the best change makers" makes me picture her at a cash register deftly flipping through bills and tossing out coins.

she would be rad at that i am sure, if overqualified

"agent of change" would have been 10x more clunky

changeling

Why is "she makes change" a good theme at all for tying together all these otherwise somewhat disparate stories?

yeah i was really surprised "changemaker" was like the headline noun.

changeifyer

maybe could have just said she changes things and done a huge long list of achievements built around repeating the word "change", until everyone just started chanting "change", "change", "change" for a while then eventually stopped.

Should just had John Waite run out and tear the roof down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsL-3fNOt0I

She's a getter doner. Get r done.

It just came off kind of like he was saying that young African Americans should help make the cops feel safer.

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Tuesday, July 26, 2016 11:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It came off to me like he knows exactly how the media works and knew that if he didn't acknowledge police murders that's all people would be talking about today.

yep

Not everyone appreciated the former president’s lingering over his early attraction to the 23-year-old Hillary Rodham. Rachel Maddow, the MSNBC host,called it “shocking and rude,” and suggested it diminished Mrs. Clinton’s many accomplishments.

“It was a controversial way to start, honestly, talking about the girl, a girl, leading with this long story about him being attracted to an unnamed girl and thinking about whether he was starting something he couldn’t finish, building her whole political story, for the whole first half of the speech around her marriage to him,” Ms. Maddow said.

But Mr. Clinton clearly wanted to tell Mrs. Clinton’s story through the lens of their courtship and 40-year marriage.

This was an audacious strategy, given that their marriage is one of the most complicated and contentious in modern politics. One of his fiercest declarations — “she will never quit when the going gets tough, she will never quit on you” — could not help but conjure up his history of infidelities. In doing so, he humanized a marriage that has baffled many Americans while also reminding people of his philandering and her compromises.

the hilliad will go down near the top all-time in the annals of first gentlemen nomination speeches i would bet. i didn't know he still had it in him, and judging by those shaking hands there may not be much left. but you go billy boy!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-bill-clintons-nearly-18-million-job-as-honorary-chancellor-of-a-for-profit-college/2016/09/05/8496db42-655b-11e6-be4e-23fc4d4d12b4_story.html

poor guy, clearly not well

I've admittedly been feeling a particular kind of disillusioned rage about Bill Clinton lately that can come only from realizing that your parents' basis for loving a politician, and presenting him to you as a great and benevolent figure, boiled down to being of the same generation, being in awe of his charisma, and sharing an enjoyment of Fleetwood Mac. This hollow, opportunistic fucking rapist is the political hero of my parents' generation and it just speaks to how empty our politics got in the past several decades.

tbh he probably only liked one Fleetwood Mac tune

Not going to stan for this education factory mogul but the article says his company "has purchased financially struggling colleges and vocational schools and improved management while boosting profits through expanding enrollment." Which doesn't exactly make him Snidely Whiplash?

"Laureate’s campuses are fully accredited and offer graduating students valid diplomas. Compared with other universities, including its for-profit competitors, Laureate has a relatively low percentage of students who default on their loans, seen as an indicator of student financial success after graduation. A 2012 Senate report on for-profit colleges said that Laureate’s flagship U.S. school, Walden University, was the best of 30 campuses studied and that students there generally 'fared well.'"

Annnnd soooo... ??

Hang on are these reporters insinuating that a corporation has secured a Big Name to sit on their board act as honorary chancellor do next to nothing in order to boost its profile???

Laureate have their issues but they are not egregiously awful. The main problems are one-size-fits-all education programmes and limited teacher engagement. They're better than some others in the sector. Getting Clinton in to sprinkle stardust on generic factory learning is probably more undignified than corrupt - particularly in comparison to Blair advising dictators on post-massacre reputation management.

A corporation whose revenue is mostly international getting the husband of the secretary of state to sit on the board though -- their main gig is taking over colleges in Latin America.

when Clinton went to Azerbaijan to set up bent megabucks mineral deals and sprinkle some of that stardust on crooked despot Aliyev, Hilary was abusing her position. I know it is probably old but I just find it incredible how shamelessly bent they are and how they keep getting away with it.

I've admittedly been feeling a particular kind of disillusioned rage about Bill Clinton lately that can come only from realizing that your parents' basis for loving a politician, and presenting him to you as a great and benevolent figure, boiled down to being of the same generation, being in awe of his charisma, and sharing an enjoyment of Fleetwood Mac. This hollow, opportunistic fucking rapist is the political hero of my parents' generation and it just speaks to how empty our politics got in the past several decades.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, September 6, 2016 10:20 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm, though i had the exact opposite experience: my parents loathed Clinton, and i never really understood why until fairly recently. so he committed perjury about a blowjob, so what? the real stuff just isn't as sexy... they're shamelessly opportunistic and have made a lot of money for career politicians. politicians don't make a super good living. the thing that stuck with me was the hypocrisy of accepting millions of dollars from Saudi Arabia for the Clinton Foundation.

AND hillary's silencing of bill's mistresses/victims...

Azerbaijan is a much more clear cut example of bad practice imo.

The State Dept has a negligible role in influencing foreign higher education policy AFAIK. Laureate's ability to throw money into investment is the critical factor in why they have been able to expand so rapidly. It hasn't protected them from criticism either.

I detest him and his oleaginous un-charm. I don't care about "liking" or "trusting" presidents, but Obama's coolness and indifference to both things is his best trait as prez.