"I'm a sovereign human being, I stand under common law only" - Thread of Freemen

Most of this stuff is just cheat code thinking applied to the law, i.e. largely meaningless.

Spotted a couple in Dundee and a colleague has seen one in Perth.

Do most people in the UK who see that billboard understand what it means? Because I have no idea what the phrases "Legal name fraud" and "it's illegal to use a legal name" mean.

If I saw a billboard like that here I would probably just assume it's some weird viral marketing thing.

Oh god no, it looks like gibberish (because it is gibberish). I'm struck that it's the only billboard I've ever seen advertising a website without the URL on it.

TWU - there's definitely an aspect where it's aimed at people who are aware that there are cheat codes and that laws are designed to benefit some rather than others, but here's how to make that work for _you_.

their site links through to https://kateofgaia.wordpress.com/ which is uhhhhhhhh pretty wild

When pair-ents (two minds) or payer-rents choose to REGISTER their children, they are LITERALLY trading off the life source of the being that is SUCKED into that body in this reality for the whore of Baby-loans LEGAL NAME dead child, in essence, ADOPTING Satan’s child in LLEU of heaven’s child. The Laws-R-us effect, raising the dead NAME DEMON and razing the living consciousness you THINK of as YOU and every other human being as well as all sentient life in this reality. In short, YOU offer up your living child as a sacrifice to Satan while your living child commits sign after sign (sin upon sin) and ADOPT the dead LEGAL DEMON literally breathing life into evil with every creation thenceforth.

whore of Baby-loans

feel a bit bad about making fun of someone who obviously has problems, but on the other hand if you will create a national billboard campaign for your crackpot theories...

crackpot theories based on transposing crackpot theories about a wholly different legal system

When pair-ents (two minds) or payer-rents choose to REGISTER their children, they are LITERALLY trading off the life source of the being that is SUCKED into that body in this reality for the whore of Baby-loans LEGAL NAME dead child, in essence, riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs.

Solidly in Francis E. Dec (q.v.) territory here.

That Kate of Gaia stuff reads like full-blown schizophrenia to me. The combination of weirdo wordplay and manic certainty reminds me of a woman I met years ago who wanted to pitch me some freelance pieces. She actually had some decent clips, but when I met her at a coffee shop all she wanted to show me was this mountain of stuff she had written about how she was John Lennon's wife from another dimension ("What you call 'Heaven,'" she said very matter-of-factly). Her whole schema was very detailed and consistent, she had obviously built it up over a long time, and she didn't or couldn't distinguish between talking about her life in Heaven and her daily life in an apartment complex here in town.

last month's k4te 0f g4i4 discussion was depressing enough to be honest "I'm a sovereign human being, I stand under common law only" - Thread of Freemen

hah yeah sorry, I thought there had been some talk about this before

Oh, I'd missed that. Yes. It's sad and best left alone.

Alberta woman tries to use freemen mumbo jumbo to get out of paying back student loans, gets brutally smacked down in court.

Those crazy Legal Name posters are all over Tottenham!!

It is like some weird ILX BREAKS INTO REAL LIFE thing!!

Yeah, I saw a new one around there but have forgotten where exactly - the one under the bridge at London Bridge is still there. Where on earth is the money coming from?

Only fair to point out that ilx didnt actually yknow start this

Fella i had long and tricky professional engagement with a few years back is now making national headlines in this sphere. I wouldve predicted it tbh.

there are a lot of things out there i would never had heard of, if not for ilx (like trypophobia, thanks a lot).

and these people too, obvs.

Interesting language used in resp to that 9th Circuit CCW ruling from the NRA:

“This decision will leave good people defenseless, as it completely ignores the fact that law-abiding Californians who reside in counties with hostile sheriffs will now have no means to carry a firearm outside the home for personal protection,” the group’s legislative chief, Chris W. Cox, said.

http://gawker.com/federal-court-rules-concealed-carry-law-in-california-u-1781746016

yeah, boggled a little at that myself

Is that possibly related to this?

https://www.aclunc.org/news/aclu-california-voting-rights-project-monitoring-possible-voter-intimidation

"possibly" in italics. I agree that it's boggling, but that's fresh in the news.

The day after Orlando, a SovCit killed three people with an AR15 and fled:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/morgan-country-west-virginia-manhunt-caught-pennsylvania-erick-shute/?client=safari#

Dude was also lead singer for NY death metal band Pyrexia:

http://www.metalinsider.net/crime/erick-shute-of-pyrexia-arrested-charged-with-murder-of-three

to the untrained eye that might look like terrorism

Morgan County Sheriff Vince Shambaugh stated that “[Shute] took cover behind a tree and shot these people ambush-style,” and that an AR-15 was the weapon used.

natch

The AR-15 is rapidly becoming the shining symbol of our glorious freedom to go on a killing rampage against anyone we don't like, including whoever is standing next to them.

Just need more good guys with AR 15s out there to stop them

in the news

This is interesting: http://www.salon.com/2016/07/18/cop_killer_gavin_long_and_the_danger_of_the_sovereign_citizens_movement/

The whole freeman shtick is at least partly about offering magic hope or solutions to people who feel marginalized so this isn't surprising. Some of the vids upthread are from people of colour looking for a defence against oppressive authority iirc

Yeah the Five Percent Nation ppl are basically the kissing cousins of this movement. It's all about the disempowerment/empowerment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-Percent_Nation

idly reading a bunch of Prince memorial stuff, made me think about how his changing his name to a symbol to get out of a legal contract basically fits here

Wonder if he mailed the https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/af/Prince_logo.svg/15px-Prince_logo.svg.png album back to himself in a sealed envelope.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ryan-bundy-declares-self-idiot-sovereign-citizen

In a baffling series of court motions filed Thursday, one of the men who led a 41-day occupation earlier this year of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Oregon declared himself a sovereign citizen free from the bounds of federal laws.

Ryan Bundy claimed that he was a “idiot of the ‘Legal Society’” in documents filed to U.S. District Court Judge Anna Brown, as Oregon Public Broadcasting reported.

“I, ryan c, man, am an idiot of the ‘Legal Society’; and; am an idiot (layman, outsider) of the ‘Bar Association’; and; i am incompetent; and; am not required by any law to be competent,” Bundy wrote.

so can you just file any damn thing in your court case?

'I, Old Lunch, man, am an idiot; and; am a pegasus with C3POs for wings and draculas for legs'

Ryan Bundy is just engaging in word magic. He is declaring that his word magic is unique to himself and separate from, but equal to, the word magic of the courts and bar association. This shrewdly lays the groundwork for baffling the judge into setting him free. Note his cunning use of semicolons. They are the work of a genius at bafflement.

tbf i agree with him

I got into a facebook argument about the malheur goons with a mormon guy that I went to high school with; one of his friends with the last name "Bundy" jumped in and seemed to be extremely familiar with a lot of the perpetrators in a way that makes me think he's a relative of some sort.

He had nothing to say other than accusing me of being liberal msm sheep while pointedly not refuting any of the statements that I made so that was productive.

never argue with mormons

hadn't realised that Australia has elected one of these guys as a Senator

In 2011, Mr Roberts wrote a letter to then Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard demanding to be exempted from the country's carbon tax.
The letter, addressed to "The Woman, Julia-Eileen:Gillard", contained a 28-point affidavit that sought to establish Mr Roberts' exemption from the need to obey the Australian government.
He referred to himself as "Malcolm-Ieuan: Roberts., the living soul", and identified himself as the "beneficiary, administrator" for a corporate entity called MALCOLM IEUAN ROBERTS.

also belies that climate change is a conspiracy created by a cabal of "international bankers"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-36972449

was just wondering why these guys don't get all contracto-lingual when they're in the supermarket buying the shopping?

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/08/dont-blue-lives-matter-when-white

Dave Neiwert:

''Don't ‘Blue Lives Matter’ When White Sovereign Citizens Murder Police Officers?"

http://www.annistonstar.com/news/crime/man-in-sovereign-citizen-case-sentenced-to-years-in-prison/article_5d627856-6402-11e6-bc72-a3e1f987e791.html

David Wynn Miller (born September 17,[1] 1949),[2] also styled :David-Wynn: Miller, is an American former tool and die welder[3] and leader of a tax protester group within the Sovereign citizen movement.[4] He has been described as having far-right views and as being a proponent of conspiracy theories. He is a proponent of the use of certain syntax he created to be used by people involved in legal proceedings. He refers to his syntax as QUANTUM-LANGUAGE-PARSE-SYNTAX-GRAMMAR which he asserts constitutes "correct sentence structure communication syntax."[5] People seeking remedy with Miller's syntax in court apparently profit nothing from the change in style.

"people of color" oh come on, do we say there here?