The Shining

I'm sorry to defer with you sir. But you are the caretaker.

It always throws me off when Grady uses the word 'nigger.' What the place has male, white racist ghosts? This doesn't support the "built on an indian burial ground" reference.

Unless the ghosts are all figments of Jack's imagination - as is implied when Wendy disrupts Jack's drunken holiday with Lloyd at the empty bar.

Or perhaps the ghosts are real, as is supported by the unlocking of the storeroom to free Jack, and they just take the form of whatever has been in Jack's experience, his understanding of the world, and his desires.

Those desires being alcohol, sex, and violence

...embodied by Lloyd, the woman in room 237, and Grady

What the place has male, white racist ghosts? This doesn't support the "built on an indian burial ground" reference.

the force haunting the hotel isn't the force that resides in indian burial grounds. it's the force that builds things on top of them.

all the best people.

me on this subject years upthread:

jack's a blue-collar white guy with cultured aspirations who's feeling humiliated economically (SHOVELING OUT DRIVEWAYS, WORK IN A CAR WASH -- ANY OF THAT APPEAL TO YOU?), and furthermore resents that what he at least hopes was an accident with his son's arm a few years ago has made it necessary for him to stop drinking and be really contrite and feel further unmanned, and is seduced on one level by an Evil Supernatural Power, in the form of a bunch of well-dressed whites having a perpetual power-drenched cocktail party in a luxury hotel built on a conquered graveyard (nice touch: "i believe they actually had to fend off a few indian attacks while they were building it!"); and on another level just by the ability, up there in the snow, to show his family who's boss. he gets drunk on this nasty fantasy of privilege that's built on bones, and when the hotel needs to spur him on it suggests to him that he's not Man enough to do his job and that his son feels safer around an n-word than around his father.

also wanna repost this description, from an essay eric h posted, of nicholson's repetition of the word, in

a tone that suggests he is not used to considering negritude an offense, is on the verge of disbelieving laughter, and yet is also fascinated by the new ripple of self-congratulating possibility here.

later, throwing himself into the possibility, he murders scatman crothers with an axe and unless i'm mistaken it's at this moment and no earlier that the ambient demonic whispery chanting kicks in on the soundtrack. then: the chilling climax, as jack casts his vote for trump.

and yes: are the ghosts real? are they hallucinations? are they metaphors?whichever is most plausible to you the fundamental explanation is always the same: sometimes, when something happens, it leaves a trace of itself behind. i think a lot of things happened right here, in this very hotel/household/country, over the years. and not all of em was good.

so on sundays, i work as a projectionist for both a matinee and an evening show, between which the 90-year-old movie theater is cleared and locked and the rest of the staff leaves and i hang out, alone, for a couple hours in the empty theater before the night staff arrives, with the projector and the sound system and the ah blu-ray player still online because i've been told not to shut them down until we close for the night, and, uh, don't tell anyone, but today, i

rip

dad? do you like this hotel?

difficult listening hour on this subject years upthread otm

ran a local movie this morning for some middle schoolers on a field trip, about an arrogant haole-boy champion surfer who wipes out during a competition in waikiki and warps to 1911, where he's rescued by and befriends duke kahanamoku and in becoming one of duke's crew (under the name "ghost") learns the true meaning of surfing. at the end, back in the present against his will, he visits the waikiki restaurant duke's, where his pov gives the movie its final shot: a slow dolly in on a framed b&w photograph of duke and buddies standing with monogrammed surfboards, GHOST gazing out alongside them. haha

this is insane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AupAFblRwgY
drag your mouse to move

Is this something I should watch using one of those virtual reality headgear things?

i didn't! i also didn't watch for more than five minutes but skip around!

whoa

Just found this on the street!

http://i.imgur.com/UtURBFW.jpg

Didn't like Room 237 quite as much the second time. There was one guy--his theory was vaguer than the others, and he had a habit of pausing and then laughing at his own commentary (the guy with a son who was out of work)--who started to get on my nerves. The most compelling theory to me is the Native American one, which I notice is proposed in this thread's very first post.

native american thing is compelling cuz it's just a theme in the movie like any other theme in any other movie. i don't think it's the center but it's there and it harmonizes w other themes. the other theories are occult+totalizing and (at least in the case of the moon landing) seem to involve the movie Actually being about something that has nothing to do w what it's pretending to be about, which is a less impressive concept to me than, yknow, a successful piece of art.

Just found this on the street!

🗻

i passed Garrett Brown, inventor of the Steadicam, on his way into the Linc Ctr cinema last night. (ie he ran behind Danny in the maze)

no one tell clemenza

(ie he ran behind Danny in the maze)

wearing, never forget, danny-shoes

you can still see The Shining in 35mm on NYE in NYC.

http://www.filmlinc.org/series/going-steadi-40-years-of-steadicam/#films

It is, of course, almost the worst film in that series.

Xanadu must be much better than I've been led to believe.

Didn't like Room 237 quite as much the second time. There was one guy--his theory was vaguer than the others, and he had a habit of pausing and then laughing at his own commentary (the guy with a son who was out of work)--who started to get on my nerves.

― clemenza, Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:45 PM (eight hours ago)

Nah, that guy is awesome. His theories on the syncs, the wipes, the dissolves, and the forwards and backwards theory was incredibly compelling. Plus the Playgirl mag.

The one who annoyed me was the architect (?) who claimed to have been mind-blown by the layout of the Overlook the first time she saw the film. Not because she didn't have something interesting to say, but rather because I sincerely doubt that even someone who is fascinated by architecture would notice a minor structural oddity on a first viewing.

The masterstroke in this is when the babe in the bathtub becomes sick grandma. Nothing is more frightening to the male psyche than the realization that all flesh is mortal.

http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=434928

? I thought that might have been the professor in the film, but it's not...The course he teaches is Bio137!

it's the kid in The Shining

stephen king: listen this hotel is fucked up
stanley kubrick: indeed, if these walls could talk, we walk around looking the other way from the suffering, death and horror that takes root in our lives, the foundations our society is built upon
stephen king: NO THE HOTEL IS EVIL

— i'm camille! (@_girltype) December 6, 2017

hee

still think Jack & co. would have fared better at a la Quinta or Best Western

“All the best people”

I remember one of the HS friends i saw it with opening night called Barry Nelson (Ullman) "Reagan."

2 20s and 2 10s
I was afraid
They’d be there til
next April

and all the irreparable harm it's caused me.

They’d be there
Til next April

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVlXbS0SNqk

Still want this poster.

https://welcometotwinpeaks.com/wp-content/uploads/purgatory-jared-lyon.png

exposing the eeriness inherent in hotels

New Pogo track is based on The Shining

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8pptpmkHXg

That footage from the Japanese paranormal investigations TV show crew filming Elstree and interviewing Vivian and Stanley (on the phone) is a delight from start to finish, including the soundless car journey through West London and up to Borehamwood.

The YouTube comments are almost entirely highly positive, although I guess probably consist mainly of middle aged men remarking on how captivating watching 20 year old Vivian talk is. Well, fair enough I'spose.

Link?

MareSnest links it above.

we were watching this tnite for halloween and it's amazing how fresh + relevant it feels today maybe more than ever

especially wild when you recall how reviled it was on release