nah that's dumb, I prefer reading, writing and arithmetic
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:15 (ten years ago)
the internet is nothing but links to other things. you have a chance to create something new. something wonderful.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau)
I like your punctuation choices.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:18 (ten years ago)
Democratic Party is the Republican Party.
funny how the Republican Party doesn't see it that way. Funny how the parties don't work together. Funny how one party is all angry old white guys and the other isn't.
etc.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:19 (ten years ago)
you are aware of the basic concepts of entertainment? mass media? heightening the drama by playing up their differences is all they have. this is a personality war. this has little to do with actual votes on actual laws.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:23 (ten years ago)
the parties work together in favor of war spending and corporate special rights. regardless of what any one figurehead presents as the public truth.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:24 (ten years ago)
the supreme court doesn't even exist!
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:24 (ten years ago)
the parties work together in favor of war spending and corporate special rights
no they don't
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:24 (ten years ago)
yes they do. when they wrote Obamacare they literally had lawyers from the pharma lobby writer drafts of laws for both sides of congress and the senate.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:26 (ten years ago)
war spending is at record levels with a Democrat president right now.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/02/president_obama_s_military_budget_is_still_one_of_the_biggest_ever.html
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:27 (ten years ago)
there is not across-the-board coordination. Dems have long tried to strip tax breaks from petroleum industry, for ex., which is opposed by the GOP.
as for war spending, remember this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/24/libya-funding-house-vote-obama-war-powers_n_884029.html
that kind of shit happens all the time. The GOP throughout Obama's tenure has fought to withhold every single thing he could count as a legislative accomplishment, there is not uniform cooperation because the parties have different goals and constituencies. Sometimes those constituencies overlap, but not always. It was Dems that passed Dodd-Frank, and it was GOP that opposed it etc. There are millions of examples of this.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:29 (ten years ago)
Adam, are you gay?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:29 (ten years ago)
He's definitely never needed an abortion
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:30 (ten years ago)
Just based on his punctuation choices? Project much?!
― Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:31 (ten years ago)
war spending is at record levels /= falls only a few billion dollars short of the largest defense budget since the start of the century
the latter also features some major hedging ("since the start of the century" = oh just the last 15 years then, ok). Military spending is always going up because spending is always going up in general (the magic of inflation), what you want to look at is what it's percentage of the overall budget is. I have a hard time believing the current defense budget is anywhere close to Iraq War spending levels as a percentage of the total budget.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:33 (ten years ago)
If so, then you can see differences between the parties immediately. You're making good points about the corporate money fueling both parties, but even to accuse Dems of being neoliberals is not to say they and the GOP are the same or stand for the same things.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:33 (ten years ago)
observe the handy "Historical Spending" table:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States#Historical_spending
and draw your own conclusions
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:35 (ten years ago)
steady decline over Obama's tenure:
20.9 17.1 20.7 20.4 19.1 17.5 16.8 16.0
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:36 (ten years ago)
er defense spending as percentage of total budget
2008 - 20.9%2009 - 17.1%2010 - 20.7%2011 - 20.4%2012 - 19.1%2013 - 17.5%2014 - 16.8%2015 - 16.0%
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:37 (ten years ago)
90% of Americans having health insurance would totally have happened under McCain, though, it's true
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:38 (ten years ago)
But they took input from the largest industries tied to healthcare in the process so fuck it, burn it down
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:39 (ten years ago)
if you want change, work to flip state legislatures, where the fun begins.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:42 (ten years ago)
^^^
there are huge structural and policy and tactical problems within the Democratic Party. But marching in lockstep with the Republican Party is not one of them.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:42 (ten years ago)
that 1972 platform is pretty heartbreaking
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:43 (ten years ago)
yeah
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:44 (ten years ago)
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, May 17, 2016 6:29 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no. but i have lots of friends who are gay and it has been good to see gay and non-traditional orientation rights spread throughout the US. it seems like this part of bipartisan efforts bc now even Republicans support it bc they have family members who have come out due to the changing culture, which seems to me to be nation-wide at a local and national level. now that we have the internet it seems these issues can be both local and national and international, all at the same time, all at the same instant. i believe that social issues need this kind of broader coalition of 50 states' nationwide grass roots support rather than strict top-down party line support in order to stay strong in the struggle against massive dis-representation and make things better for everyone in the long rong.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:46 (ten years ago)
fwiw i know nothing of the bathroom debate right now if that is what you are referencing? i don't know why you asked that question.
well, I need your help at the grass roots.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:47 (ten years ago)
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, May 17, 2016 6:33 PM
For more than a decade I've written thousands of words here and my blog accusing the Dems of being cowards and corporatists, but I am more comfortably a Democrat now than I was in 2000 or 2005. If the party's priorities have realigned with its 20th century electoral triumphs, it's thanks to the grass roots.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:49 (ten years ago)
the 1972 platform btw http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=29605
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:50 (ten years ago)
I can't read that. I've already had a glass of wine.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:51 (ten years ago)
it seems like this part of bipartisan efforts bc now even Republicans support
bhahahahaha O RLY
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:51 (ten years ago)
do you remember Dont Ask Dont Tell? it was a 90s Clinton joint.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_ask,_don%27t_tell
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:58 (ten years ago)
yup and Democrats (not Republicans) repealed it. In fact, an out gay Democrat in the House repealed it. There are no out gay Republicans in the House.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:59 (ten years ago)
in fact there are no out gay Republicans in Congress period afaik
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 23:00 (ten years ago)
trivia question: every single state legislature that tried to outlaw gay marriage was controlled by which party?
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 23:02 (ten years ago)
no differences here, nope:
http://time.com/3656219/2016-candidates-gay-marriage/
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 23:03 (ten years ago)
why these two curves are exactly alike!
http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/2ba5lvbvhew-fvqivfxv_a.png
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 23:06 (ten years ago)
hey here's another miraculous instance of the parties being in total agreement about major policy issue:
http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/dx4yatylw0gg6-townapxg.png
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 23:08 (ten years ago)
my former congresswoman, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, is the only GOP member of the House LGBT caucus.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 23:11 (ten years ago)
(ftr Adam no she is not gay)
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 23:13 (ten years ago)
her son is transgender; I'm sure that helped
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 23:14 (ten years ago)
your Democratic Party, ladies & gents, with 'leaders' saying sure we'll work with President Trump somehow
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a44993/moderate-democrats-work-with-trump/
euthanize it
not even that good at keeping abortions ubiquitous
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 11:12 (ten years ago)
also fuck gay marriage
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 11:13 (ten years ago)
Well, as we're talking about a woman, Sanders supporters are probably threatening to euthanize her as we speak.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 11:15 (ten years ago)
it's fine and all, but also a marketing fig leaf for the bloody savagery abroad that both parties drink deeply of
it's lovely that the Dems believe in climate change. they're not going to do anything to stop it (and likely can't).
so Adam otm; have a nice day, except Frederik who for godsakes should castrate himself
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 11:17 (ten years ago)
srsly dude, go immolate your idiot ass
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 11:18 (ten years ago)
Nihilism Party Registration here
― normcore strengthening exercises (benbbag), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 13:46 (ten years ago)
"they're not going to do anything to stop it (and likely can't)"
never let facts get in the way of dogma
― normcore strengthening exercises (benbbag), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 13:47 (ten years ago)
as expected Schmuck in as Senate leader; Bernie added in junior leadership role (so there, "he's an Independent" folx)
Schumer also expanded the Democratic leadership team to 10 members, with Sanders (I-Vt.), Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) and Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.), adding to the team’ ideological, geographic and gender balance. Baldwin is also the first lesbian senator to hold a leadership role.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/11/16/schumer-elected-senate-democratic-leader/
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 November 2016 17:05 (nine years ago)