Buying A House: C or D?

"pagoda patio cover" is a thing, apparently

"widow's walk?

nah those are on top of houses right

i mean i guess it's a railing for the second floor porch (that has no door to it) but i'm more wondering about that shape that curves out like that, there are a lot of houses in cleveland w/ that especially two-family homes with second story porches

i know you've covered it already but the ppl who built these lovely lakewood homes really hated kitchens huh

haha yea i don't get it

It's kind of a faux mansard roof imo? Which is a standard feature of Italianate houses from around the same era but might be an unusual regional variation if it's used on a lot of foursquares in those parts?

xp their servants did the cooking.

It's also possible that's not the original porch roof, because I would have expected it to have exposed eaves, like those on the 3rd storey.

ppl used to have the smallest kitchens and then a full dining room, wtf people

it's so you can pretend the food magically appears and someone wasn't slaving over a hot stove, I guess

i know you've covered it already but the ppl who built these lovely lakewood homes really hated kitchens huh

Another reason why I'm loving these properties!

It's also possible that's not the original porch roof, because I would have expected it to have exposed eaves, like those on the 3rd storey.

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yea that's what i'm wondering too

I can see myself hanging out in the sun-room in my robe on Sunday mornings. Another reason to buy this house marcos!

Love sun rooms.

BTW I would also have said mansard about the roof, but it seems very specific to that house form.

Re: small kitchens, I'm pretty sure there are people reading this who have closets larger than my own beloved 1940 house's kitchen. It's about 7x8; I can literally stand in one place and reach everything.

I have a sun room / enclosed front porch thingy and yeah, you can just sit out there and chill. It's especially nice because I have some tall bushes meaning I can see out just fine, but no one can really see in.

xps brownie, yea i keep going back and forth, we saw it in person a month ago but that was really before we were really looking. it's been sitting longer than a lot of other houses too. the rehabbed ones --which to be honest i don't always like, sometimes the updated kitchens look tacky and don't match the period details common in these homes -- sell in a matter of days.

If I were going to buy a house I would want everything redone except the kitchen so I could feel reasonable about doing the kitchen to my spec. Really that's the only reason I'd want to buy a house.

so I can come over on Sundays then? can I call the sun-room the vape room? do you have a hat tree for my fedoras?

j/k

good luck! is Lakewood the only city you're looking?

loooooool

yea lakewood is it, we were strongly considering cleveland heights and shaker heights for a while but most of my family is on the west side

what's up with all that crazy ornate interior decoration though? Is that standard for the neighborhood?

you mean like the wood trim and built-ins?

if so, that stuff is pretty common, though in many homes people have painted over the wood

leaded glass windows are common too, even in shitty remodels most people keep those

yeah, my house has built-in shelves and some nice details
pretty common for the style: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Craftsman

mh you have a craftsman home? sweet

yeah, cleve and shaker hts have some really nice homes for cheap. shaker taxes though are so outrageous though.

cleveland heights has some amazing deals

yeah, it's funny how widespread the style is. some friends in Regina, Saskatchewan posted pictures of their house from the same era and their living room is like mine from a different angle

if you can work around some of the limitations in the floor plans to make things more practical for modern life, you end up with a beautiful house that's built like a tank

this condo is 39K! but the HOA fee is 2k a month :(

it's been my goal to somehow squat in these condos

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/13805-Shaker-Blvd-Apt-3A_Cleveland_OH_44120_M36250-18982#photo0

holy shit at that fee

yeah, they had to put a new a roof on a historically significant building $$$

whoa

east side market seems more manageable for a buyer right now, way more options and things stick around longer

yep

Generally speaking, I would say that if you're going to spend $275K in Lakewood you need to be closer to the lake that those houses on Grace, but HOLY COW that's incredible woodwork at 1422 Grace. I support capital punishment for those who paint over woodwork in homes of that age. We've had to replace a good deal of painted-over wood, both window trim and baseboards, at our house. Luckily we know a good carpenter.

1485 Marlowe -- my friend lives just south of Detroit on Lincoln (one block over from Marlowe) and likes the neighborhood -- walkable to most everything on Detroit.

The other thing I forgot to mention which may be affecting the prop taxes in Lakewood now is the massive renovation/addition to Lakewood HS.

I don't get this, when a house is listed for sale but there's no open house listed, how are you supposed to look at it?

An agent will take you there for a walkthrough.

I should specify...your own buyer's agent. Never deal with the selling agent.

But I don't have an agent!

nor do I really understand how to obtain one

I didn't really have anyone around here to ask because all my friends are renters, so—and this is most assuredly not the ideal method—I just picked a couple at random, called them up, told them what I was looking for and the parts of the city I was looking in and the timeframe in which I was looking to buy. One of them didn't work out at all (didn't specialize in this part of the city) and the other one worked out great (knew this part of the city really well). If they're slow to return your call or email, move on. If they're not eager up front, they probably wouldn't be later on either.

Most of the real estate sites (Zillow, Trulia, etc) have agent directories in addition to property listings. Line up agents near where you're looking and email or call them.

sometimes you can just walk into an office and say "hello I need a real estate agent"

yeah I've picked my agents based usually on nothing more than a colleague's saying "um I think maybe I know someone who used so and so" and it's worked fine.

our agent says there are two people "moving in the direction of making an offer" which I guess is good news but we already had an offer go wrong this cycle.

having owned two houses now I will say that renting is so much easier

Another thing I'd suggest is checking around your city to see if any local orgs (or even the city itself) offers homebuyer crash courses. The one I went to was incredibly helpful. They brought in a mortgage broker, a realtor, a home inspector and an insurance agent and walked us through every step of the buying process, plus we got to ask all the stupid questions we wanted to. Sure, I spent five hours on a Saturday morning doing something besides sleeping in, but I also ended up going with the mortgage broker who spoke to our "class" and that turned out wonderfully.

we found our agent based on a referral from someone my sister has worked with. we also went with her b/c she works for one of the larger real estate agencies in the area. the agency has the market share in the town where we're looking.

she's working out fine so far, but one thing i wish we did was interview a few different agents just to get a feel for different personalities, communication styles, etc. once you choose someone, they become your dedicated buyer's agent, and if i understand it correctly it can be very difficult to end the business relationship once you've committed yourself.

johnny otm. we met w/ a friend of ours here in boston who is a realtor and she went over the whole process with us, even though we are not buying in boston.

as far as lenders go, we ended up just going with our own bank to pursue it, it seemed way simpler and we know we want a traditional 30-year fixed mortgage anyways. the in-house mortgage brokers at the real estate agency were very slimy and terrible. it might simplify things down the road to have our agent and mortgage broker in the same building but we really did not get a good feeling from them.

having owned two houses now I will say that renting is so much easier

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Other than dealing with unexpected shocking rent increases and landlords who don't fix shit, which is a big part of why we bought -- stability. I actually have to say that I love co-op living because you get to build some equity but you rarely have to shell out for a repair because a lot of stuff is the building's responsibility and a lot of other stuff the handyman will do very cheaply under the table.

re: "it might simplify things down the road to have our agent and mortgage broker in the same building" - actually doing the lending through your own bank is simpler. You're only buying a house for a little while. You will be living in a house while having bank accounts for far longer.

For us, having the mortgage and bank accounts all linked means that it is all on one online dashboard; one can slosh money around among them and have instant visibility into what is being paid to whom when. Also simplifies tax time because I don't need to go to a buncha different places to gather forms.

While it's definitely nice to have our bank account and mortgage linked (coincidentally it worked out that way), it's much more important to get the best rate you can get -- it can save you a huge amount of money. I'd probably find a separate mortgage broker with a good rep, or else if you really want to go through your bank at least shop around for some competitive rates, and if you can find better bring it to your bank and negotiate with them.