people are so uptight
― the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:42 (eight years ago) link
hey as long as the kids are totally okay with it, let's not deny them their agency
― a poptimist consumed with celebrity culture and vacuous pop music (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:43 (eight years ago) link
she is not a child
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:43 (eight years ago) link
telling a grown woman she doesn't know what's best for herself, always a good look
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:45 (eight years ago) link
yes that's exactly what people are doing.
― the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:45 (eight years ago) link
tbf as a grown man i know i certainly have a clear-sighted and objective perspective on my parents
― a poptimist consumed with celebrity culture and vacuous pop music (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:47 (eight years ago) link
@NickPinkertonSomeone should write about how news or allegations about an artist's personal life might affect the reception of their work.
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:49 (eight years ago) link
Allen was never Soon-Yi's father, and she was not a child when their relationship began. It's weird that this needs to be restated 20 years later.
xp
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:49 (eight years ago) link
Treeship, you're constantly writing this stupid handwringing waste of time. You're response to me was stupid - how would Allen know that the THR reporters would about Dylan and that nobody else would? - and I almost always find what you think or worry about to be annoying. And I'm clearly not the only one. Hey, carry on, do what you want, say what you think, you honestly seem like a good person. But please don't write to me, I don't have time for your stupid whataboutery.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:50 (eight years ago) link
And I'll shut up now.
the closer analogy is idk something like the lyrics to Dolly Parton's "Travelling Man" where a woman's daughter steals her mother's boyfriend.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:50 (eight years ago) link
lol
― the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:51 (eight years ago) link
interesting
― a poptimist consumed with celebrity culture and vacuous pop music (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:51 (eight years ago) link
bottom line which should be screamingly obvious, without any psychoanalyzing of Soon-Yi, is that for Allen to enter into this relationship, instigator or not, lol, was morally unconscionable by any reasonable standard
― a poptimist consumed with celebrity culture and vacuous pop music (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:53 (eight years ago) link
otm
― Treeship, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:53 (eight years ago) link
goddamn right
btw fuck woody allen
― 6 god none the richer (m bison), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:57 (eight years ago) link
no thanks
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 May 2016 17:00 (eight years ago) link
shush
― 6 god none the richer (m bison), Thursday, 12 May 2016 17:02 (eight years ago) link
for Allen to enter into this relationship, instigator or not, lol, was morally unconscionable by any reasonable standard
agreed
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 May 2016 17:03 (eight years ago) link
― Frederik B, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:50 (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Hey Fred!
This isn't useful unless you put the end date on it. Gives us an idea of how long we can enjoy it for.
Ta
Dmac
― Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 May 2016 17:40 (eight years ago) link
Fred, I think in a popularity contest between you and Treesh... well, there is no contest tbh.
― Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 May 2016 17:45 (eight years ago) link
coddled motor-mouth POLL
― map, Thursday, 12 May 2016 17:47 (eight years ago) link
Wait, I thought in "travelin man" the mom runs off w/Dolly's bf?
Also Fred u suck
― JoeStork, Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:11 (eight years ago) link
haha you may be right I might have that backwards lol
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:12 (eight years ago) link
I think the setup is that her mom would be super upset about her seeing this shady travelin' man and the mom stealing him is the twist ending.
― JoeStork, Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:19 (eight years ago) link
can't help but feel that the disgust at Woody and Soon-Yi's weird marriage could have something to do with a "conservative" view on sexuality, that a lot of those condemning their marriage would also condemn fx gay marriage - but that's just speculation
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:25 (eight years ago) link
So bougie to just not understand how a man can fall in love with the woman he was intimately involved with as a pre-pubescent. For shame, squares.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:26 (eight years ago) link
he was not intimately involved with her as a pre-pubescent
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:28 (eight years ago) link
why do I bother
xps some people have a knack for speculation. others don't.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:28 (eight years ago) link
ah, Gigi...
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:32 (eight years ago) link
Treeship when are you gonna start defending me
― frogbs, Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:37 (eight years ago) link
He started dating her mother when she was between 7 and 9 years old. You can try to handwave away "involvement" but fuck anyone who chalks up looking askance at a guy later fucking that prepubescent child to "sexual conservatism."
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:39 (eight years ago) link
hi i heard this is the thread where the men are talking
― ejemplo (crüt), Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:40 (eight years ago) link
so the thing with woody is he met soon-yi when she was 15
no one argues that you have to be a sick man to have romantic or sexual feelings toward a 15-year old when you're 50
how far gone mentally does woody have to be to disassociate the 15-year old daughter role from the "oh just another woman" role to let himself develop any of these feelings for her
that sounds more sick
i used to love his movies. now this sick man is making me download his movies from torrent sites just so he doesn't pocket more royalties
i judge and am judged
circle of lyfe
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:48 (eight years ago) link
think of the gaffers
― Sufjan Grafton, Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:49 (eight years ago) link
If he met her at 15, he would have been dating Mia for 5 years without meeting one of the kids?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:51 (eight years ago) link
there's a picture floating around of him, mia and family from 1986 so that's where i'm getting that number from
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:53 (eight years ago) link
Soon-Yi Previn was the adopted daughter of Farrow and her former husband, composer André Previn. Soon-Yi, who was born in Korea, was a child when her mother abandoned her by leaving her on a street in the slums of Seoul. Farrow and Previn adopted her in 1978, when a bone scan determined she was between 5 and 7 years old.[141][142]
woody allen began dating mia farrow in 1980, which means that soon yi was between 7 and 9 years old at the time.
― Treeship, Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:53 (eight years ago) link
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/03/showbiz/gallery/allen-farrow-family-tree/
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/140203115133-restricted-05-allen-farrow-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:54 (eight years ago) link
treezy that makes it even more disgusting
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:55 (eight years ago) link
it's really grotesque.
like beyond the fact that he knew her as a child, it is still fucked up to have an affiar with your girlfriend's daughter even if she is an adult. if i had a friend who was dating a 40 year old with a 20 year old daughter, and that friend began secretly seeing that 20 year old daughter, i would tell my friend he was behaving like a scumbag by wantonly destroying a parent-child relationship. so beyond the disgusting factor of it all, it was just beyond immoral.
― Treeship, Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:57 (eight years ago) link
frederik was right that i sometimes tend too far in the "judge not lest ye be judged" direction, but in this case i am pretty comfortable condemning woody allen. personally, i still see his movies bc they are mildly enjoyable cinematic junk food but i don't know if i can defend that decision morally. this is not even taking into account dylan's allegations.
― Treeship, Thursday, 12 May 2016 19:00 (eight years ago) link
frederik was right that i sometimes tend too far in the "judge not lest ye be judged" direction
(I think you're fine fwiw.)
― Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Thursday, 12 May 2016 19:12 (eight years ago) link
America happy to be entertained by murderers, child abusers, wifebeaters, racists etc. why would they stop now
lol Alfred, I did actually sweat the wording of that a little
― Οὖτις, Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:25 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol yeah none of that is exactly out of character
― Οὖτις, Monday, May 9, 2016 1:12 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
poll: any of you reading the James Brown wifebeating book?
lol exactly
on the scale of great-artist-does-terrible-things, which goes from, say, convicted murderer on one end to unsubstantiated accusation on the other, Allen's much closer to the latter camp imo
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, May 11, 2016 3:22 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
he fucked up her life if anything. she was totally cut off from her siblings and mother at the age of -- what? 20? -- and now is stuck with an elderly condescending narcissist for a husband.
lol now who's being patronizing
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, May 11, 2016 6:08 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Οὖτις, Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:03 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Οὖτις, Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:12 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh snaps
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, May 11, 2016 6:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
child brides really bring the lolz for u shakey! v droll situation all around XD!
― rockpalast '82 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 May 2016 19:22 (eight years ago) link
she's not his child bride
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 May 2016 19:24 (eight years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdlmgoFJQJ1qcoaf4o1_500.jpg
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 May 2016 19:31 (eight years ago) link
it will never be over, sadly
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 May 2016 19:32 (eight years ago) link
i've always read the record-store reunion in hannah as implying that dianne wiest has renounced the evils of punk for the '40s pop that is, as always, the only music, but i suppose the sections could just be close together.
i suddenly remembered the obvious tho backgrounded example of the ur-woodylationship in this movie: max von sydow/barbara hershey. she leaves of course but she also delivers the usual reassurances about how much he's given her. btw i can prob still do mvs' long nihilistic monologue ("you missed a very dull t.v. program about auschwitz") verbatim so part of my sensitivity to this stuff is prob about being harsh on some version of myself.
i really don't mind at all if every thread on the site undergoes treeship's autodialectic but then i also think "racists" is an incomplete explanation of trumpism so i may be another sniveling apologist.
― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 12 May 2016 19:36 (eight years ago) link
If he'd meet Soon-Yi on OKCupid when she was 28 and she'd never been Mia Farrow's adopted daughter, it doesn't change the fact that he's writing and directing dogshit movies.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 May 2016 19:37 (eight years ago) link