this isn't levin and kitty scherbatsky here
lol
Stardust MemoriesA Midsummer Night's Sex ComedyZeligThe Purple Rose of CairoHannah and Her SistersShadows and FogHusbands and WivesManhattan Murder MysteryBullets over BroadwayDeconstructing HarrySweet and LowdownHollywood EndingMidnight in ParisBlue Jasmine
some of these still contain the trope, tho yeah not always from the protag: jose ferrer in a midsummer night's sex comedy is my favorite, most farcical rendering of it in a woody movie ("look, ariel! a fossil!"); i'd be surprised if there's no adoring remark or two of elisabeth shue's that semiqualifies deconstructing harry; i've always read the record-store reunion in hannah as implying that dianne wiest has renounced the evils of punk for the '40s pop that is, as always, the only music, but i suppose the sections could just be close together.
anyway i didn't say they were meant to be unambiguously sympathetic--
in all these movies he's much smarter about his cherishing of girlfriends' ignorance than he has become: tracy leaves; annie leaves and gets an obviously bad play written about her (which now plays exactly like late woody); anjelica huston is murdered to schubert
--though i do think that knowledge+sophistication is for these characters a real gift to give even if it's mocked or punished: at the end of annie hall the way we know the relationship enriched woody allen's life is he tells us in voiceover how much fun it was, but the way we know it enriched annie hall's is she's dragging a boyfriend to the sorrow and the pity. the voiceover correctly labels this a "triumph." (on the other hand, yes, one of the things i love about manhattan is the lack of assurance that he has molded anyone.)
i might have been wrong to say that this attitude has gotten worse or less examined with time; it's hard to tell because so much else definitely has. not trying to burn the films away w this lens or to work out woody's position vis a vis hell (tho i have my suspicions). it's just an attitude or impulse that pops up often enough for me to think it's an attitude or impulse of his, and tho yr right it's not usually rewarded in his fiction (he's never liked the happy ending he gets in hannah, for instance, tho maybe he only regrets the deus ex hystera) one can't help but suspect it's been rewarded in his life.
― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 12 May 2016 15:33 (eight years ago) link
i've always read the record-store reunion in hannah as implying that dianne wiest has renounced the evils of punk for the '40s pop that is, as always, the only music, but i suppose the sections could just be close together.
then why does he sneak a photo of the ad for Barry Gibb's solo album at Tower?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 May 2016 15:41 (eight years ago) link
And Duran Duran's Arena.
He checks out a Randy Weston record though, and gets Joseph Jarman section in the shot.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 12 May 2016 15:50 (eight years ago) link
Soon-Yi sat behind me in my art history class freshman year. I don't remember her saying much.
― tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:09 (eight years ago) link
Woody Allen's publicists barred Hollywood Reporter from participating in the interviews today after their op-ed by Ronan Farrow, pretty much proving his point.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:14 (eight years ago) link
i don't think it proves his point. it proves that woody wants to avoid being asked questions about that situation.
― Treeship, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:20 (eight years ago) link
when WA wrote his NY Times piece on this a year or two ago, he said he was done addressing it.
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:23 (eight years ago) link
My chief impression of Soon-Yi from the rather scarifying wILD mAN bLUES doc was that she's self-possessed.
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:24 (eight years ago) link
His point was (pretty much) that the media fears retaliation. Allen retaliates. Point proven.
But Treeship to the defence! Good on you, for always having the back of people like Allen, Yacht, Trump-voters, and everyone else accused of sexism, racism and everything worse. Must be a busy job.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:25 (eight years ago) link
Fred you really are a p.i.t.a.
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:26 (eight years ago) link
how did you get that from "woody wants to avoid being asked questions about that situation," which is self-evident?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:26 (eight years ago) link
xpost
fuck you frederik
― Treeship, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:27 (eight years ago) link
^^^
they've been married for nearly 20 years, they have kids, both publicly express happiness about their relationship. it's creepy to litigate their relationship as if she has no agency.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:27 (eight years ago) link
x-post: At this point what must be thousands of hand-wringing posts all over this site. Sorry Treeship, but it gets extremely annoying after a while.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:28 (eight years ago) link
Good on you, for always having the back of people like Allen, Yacht, Trump-voters, and everyone else accused of sexism, racism and everything worse.
when have i ever had the back of trump voters? or woody allen for that matter. yesterday i posted this:
as a young woody allen fan i used to be all c'est la vie about the soon yi thing and didn't think it had any bearing on the dylan farrow thing. but now i think it's pretty strong evidence that he is a person who is selfish beyond words and i wouldn't put it past him to hurt a child.― Treeship, Wednesday, May 11, 2016 7:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Treeship, Wednesday, May 11, 2016 7:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Treeship, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:29 (eight years ago) link
don't see what's creepy about Woody's relationship, it's only the same as the judge guy in Sweeney Todd
― a poptimist consumed with celebrity culture and vacuous pop music (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:31 (eight years ago) link
fwiw I totally think the circumstances of their relationship is bizarre - but it obviously works for them and they're happy with it so who cares
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:32 (eight years ago) link
I know, who cares? I basically hope all my friends who are dating people with young children wind up marrying them
― the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:42 (eight years ago) link
people are so uptight
hey as long as the kids are totally okay with it, let's not deny them their agency
― a poptimist consumed with celebrity culture and vacuous pop music (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:43 (eight years ago) link
she is not a child
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:43 (eight years ago) link
telling a grown woman she doesn't know what's best for herself, always a good look
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:45 (eight years ago) link
yes that's exactly what people are doing.
― the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:45 (eight years ago) link
tbf as a grown man i know i certainly have a clear-sighted and objective perspective on my parents
― a poptimist consumed with celebrity culture and vacuous pop music (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:47 (eight years ago) link
@NickPinkertonSomeone should write about how news or allegations about an artist's personal life might affect the reception of their work.
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:49 (eight years ago) link
Allen was never Soon-Yi's father, and she was not a child when their relationship began. It's weird that this needs to be restated 20 years later.
xp
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:49 (eight years ago) link
Treeship, you're constantly writing this stupid handwringing waste of time. You're response to me was stupid - how would Allen know that the THR reporters would about Dylan and that nobody else would? - and I almost always find what you think or worry about to be annoying. And I'm clearly not the only one. Hey, carry on, do what you want, say what you think, you honestly seem like a good person. But please don't write to me, I don't have time for your stupid whataboutery.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:50 (eight years ago) link
And I'll shut up now.
the closer analogy is idk something like the lyrics to Dolly Parton's "Travelling Man" where a woman's daughter steals her mother's boyfriend.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:50 (eight years ago) link
― the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:51 (eight years ago) link
interesting
― a poptimist consumed with celebrity culture and vacuous pop music (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:51 (eight years ago) link
bottom line which should be screamingly obvious, without any psychoanalyzing of Soon-Yi, is that for Allen to enter into this relationship, instigator or not, lol, was morally unconscionable by any reasonable standard
― a poptimist consumed with celebrity culture and vacuous pop music (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:53 (eight years ago) link
otm
― Treeship, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:53 (eight years ago) link
goddamn right
btw fuck woody allen
― 6 god none the richer (m bison), Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:57 (eight years ago) link
no thanks
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 May 2016 17:00 (eight years ago) link
shush
― 6 god none the richer (m bison), Thursday, 12 May 2016 17:02 (eight years ago) link
for Allen to enter into this relationship, instigator or not, lol, was morally unconscionable by any reasonable standard
agreed
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 May 2016 17:03 (eight years ago) link
― Frederik B, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:50 (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Hey Fred!
This isn't useful unless you put the end date on it. Gives us an idea of how long we can enjoy it for.
Ta
Dmac
― Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 May 2016 17:40 (eight years ago) link
Fred, I think in a popularity contest between you and Treesh... well, there is no contest tbh.
― Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 May 2016 17:45 (eight years ago) link
coddled motor-mouth POLL
― map, Thursday, 12 May 2016 17:47 (eight years ago) link
Wait, I thought in "travelin man" the mom runs off w/Dolly's bf?
Also Fred u suck
― JoeStork, Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:11 (eight years ago) link
haha you may be right I might have that backwards lol
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:12 (eight years ago) link
I think the setup is that her mom would be super upset about her seeing this shady travelin' man and the mom stealing him is the twist ending.
― JoeStork, Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:19 (eight years ago) link
can't help but feel that the disgust at Woody and Soon-Yi's weird marriage could have something to do with a "conservative" view on sexuality, that a lot of those condemning their marriage would also condemn fx gay marriage - but that's just speculation
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:25 (eight years ago) link
So bougie to just not understand how a man can fall in love with the woman he was intimately involved with as a pre-pubescent. For shame, squares.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:26 (eight years ago) link
he was not intimately involved with her as a pre-pubescent
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:28 (eight years ago) link
why do I bother
xps some people have a knack for speculation. others don't.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:28 (eight years ago) link
ah, Gigi...
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:32 (eight years ago) link