hey gawker dudes. what the fuck is wrong with you?

+ making the story public allows others to reach out/ could (per Maura's link) lead to broader recognition / may serve as a heads up for future victims....

that's actualy J0rd in emoji form

I'm on the JS side here. Obviously the individual of interest isn't suffering from the accusations or there would be grounds for a suit. Opening the question isn't begging the question.

Isn't Jordan saying this is what he's doing ?

I'm not defending LCK; I don't have enough information to even have an opinion on if he needs defending. I'm also not shaming JS for starting the conversation; my argument is that his reportage has been improperly presented and prosecuted. It's the fourth estate's responsibility to bring the truth to light and (here's where I may be being naive) if you take the risk of presenting an accusation under your byline, the reporter's credibility then rests on proving that story up to the point of an unbiased and reasonable reader's doubt _before_ publishing. Based on the articles I read, JS's writing on the subject hasn't met that standard.

making the story public allows others to reach out/ could (per Maura's link) lead to broader recognition / may serve as a heads up for future victims....

Or more to the point:

This seems like a bold claim for a dude actively soliciting emails for anyone willing to confirm in your article. Not trying to ruin a scoop or anything, but I assume you're saying you've got actual confirmation?
― a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Sunday, May 17, 2015 3:56 AM

he did a long bit about child molestation on SNL and then did a skit about sexually domination
― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 17, 2015 4:00 AM (11 months ago)

sexual domination**
― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 17, 2015 4:00 AM (11 months ago)

he also said "on fleek"
― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 17, 2015 4:01 AM (11 months ago)

tbh I can never tell if the flippant attitude is a coping mechanism for reporting some heinous shit or, depending on the writer/editor just sociopathy

feel like J0rdan has more of the former, pretty sure at least one notable ex-gawker employee was the latter

I'll go on the record about Louis if J0rdan will just get me out of the greys.

good deal, imo

wait there are ilxors stuck in the grays? outrageous

does "in the grays" refer to comments that never get posted? if so, i think about 8 out of the 10 gawker comments i've ever posted are stuck in the grays

and some of those were really awesome comments, trust me

they're posted, just invisible unless you click the "view all" or whatever

hey gawker dudes. how the fuck does kinja work?

tl;dr but i feel like forks is just mad cause he likes louis ck

Good thing no one wrote some poor journalism like this about Bill Cosby back in the 80s, he could have covered his tracks

When Maron interviewed CK recently, there was a brief moment of ass-covering-if-anything-comes-to-light in one line like "So, you've had an interesting relationship with women" or something like that. Which doesn't mean anything, but was noticeable.

gawker rage about yacht sex tape is too perfect

This stupid fucking article is a neckbeard hair away from screeching FREEDOM OF SPEECH PRIVATE LIFE because you repeatedly called your boss a kid fucker on Facebook

http://gawker.com/even-if-you-were-a-skinhead-your-employer-is-not-the-j-1776855060

cool tablecloth shirt

The very existence of someone you disagree with does not constitute assault. You are free to dislike your coworker; you may even feel unsafe due to your coworker’s personal beliefs; but you are not entitled to demand that they be removed from their job for something they did unrelated to work.

*thinking face emoji*

even by hammy noles troll standards that's some v tryhard shit

read that and grimaced a lot this morning

I feel like if you're a "public figure" or seen as a representative of your company in some way then yeah, firing you based on current actions outside of work is definitely a thing

interpreting your actions and whether you're a representative of your workplace is subjective

so what I'm saying is if I gain viral fame on the internet, I'm going to be careful not to do it while wearing a company logo t-shirt

yeah, according to hamilton nolan's argument this guy should be protected even if he was still racist. that is obviously not true, otherwise we would all be defending curt schilling.

vox has a right to protect its brand. this isn't like, he made some clumsy statements in the 80s. nazi skinheads used to roll around new york beating up minorities. even if he didn't do that he aligned himself with those sorts

maybe he needs a strong anti-racist personal #brand

i mean, it could be powerful if current skinheads (i read about some in greenpoint) were to hear about how shit they are from a former one. he could do a speaking tour, "racists against racism" or something idk

I think he's kind of out of the music and skinhead game, and that was already a thing years ago, and tbh the anti-racist skinheads would probably beat him up for horning in on their shtick

last I checked the anti-racist skinheads had the number one hobby of beating up racist skinheads but I am sure some wouldn't mind making an exception

feel like maybe there's a middle ground between 'believed heinous things in the past + fully repudiates it now' and 'believes heinous things + promotes it now'

definitely two different points here. if you did vile stuff in the past but are reasonable (or as reasonable as any writer for eater.com is) now, then who cares

if you're a dickhead outside of work and it reflects on your work or employer, it's a different thing

thankful my past is mostly socially semi-acceptable bad acts tbh

i believe in forgiveness but i also don't know that vox has to stand by this guy. they can speak more to his character today than i can, of course.

Is a nazi > used to be a nazi > has never been a nazi

Wait reverse those signs for the love of god

I was gonna say

i don't know what you guys are arguing about. im a jew kid that grew up punk and got fucked with by skins plenty. if i was running something and found out my #2 was a prominent skinhead in that scene AND is now an adult and still rocking a skin cut and fred perrys like this guy is (not exactly distancing yrself imo) then i'd be like peace out mfer.

xxp Is the love of god < used to be the love of god < has never been the love of god

still a pretty negative post tbh

dying

I charged into that so confidently :-(

tbf the middle option is the one under dicussion and it's cool from either angle

is now an adult and still rocking a skin cut and fred perrys like this guy is

tbh there are non-racists I see around who have been rocking this look for twenty or thirty years and I still shake my head in disbelief

the pictures of those dudes w/that look and dad jeans with the shirt tucked in made me sigh

A couple of high school acquaintances/"friends" moved to NY together and have tried to continue on the Fred Perry and close cropped look while being anti-racist (without going full-on SHARP) for almost fifteen years now. I get it, blah blah ska and rocksteady blah blah - are you really trying to 'take back' the look of a 45 year old subculture that was perverted 35 years ago? Maybe time to give it up.

I occasionally veer into that sort of style - i.e. ive owned a Harrington jacket and fred perry polo shirts - but i def wouldn't feel comfortable doing so with a shorn head.

last I checked the anti-racist skinheads had the number one hobby of beating up racist skinheads but I am sure some wouldn't mind making an exception

― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, May 16, 2016 4:05 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Based on my particular sample of anti-racist skins, their number one hobby is turning into racist skins, followed by beating up other anti-racist skins, THEN comes beating up racist skins.

dang

Had no idea fred perry shirts were associated with skinheads. I used to wear a fred perry track jacket in high school but back then i had a mop of long hair

Anyway, idg the idea of anti-racist skinheads. aren't they bothered by the fact that everyone thinks they're racists?

suppose it sorta started as a "reclaim the name" thing once skinhead culture got divorced from "working class british punks who listen to ska and other music of non-white origin" and became "shorthand for white power assholes around the world." the specifically non-racist skin thing probably took off in the us even moreso after the rise of nyhc and a whole raft of bands that veered rightward politically without explicitly tipping into white power bullshit. i assume today's non-racist skins kinda operate from the same position,, though yeah they're probably better off growing out their hair and volunteering for an anti-racist organization than hanging tough at the vfw hall, since at this point they're hitting "civil war renactors" levels of marginal subcultures. (though i get the feeling in certain swathes of europe the racist skin thing is still pretty prevalent at shows so maybe having a contingent of well-meaning knuckleheads on-hand helps to deter bullshit. or more likely just leads to more violence.)

one of my neighborhood bars, and some friends-of-friends around town are definitely still in the shaved head and suspenders mode

and no, I don't think anyone assumes they're racist, but it's one of those style choices that definitely feels like a personality choice made static

reasonable overlap in that group with people who work non-blue collar jobs but are into rebuilding old pickup trucks, or start their own motorcycle group of friends who are into old cafe racer bikes

oddly specific, but I can think of a dozen or people I run into who live it

I was about to start posting cool photos one of these dudes I actually do know has on fb but I just found out he is really into reposting funny memes I have never seen before

see you in three days after I get to the bottom of this meme pile

maybe my town is weird (or i hang out with the "right" people) but i have definitely met far more anti-racist skinheads than racist skinheads.

yeah idk if racist skinheads are even really a thing anymore outside of specialized racist enclaves

are all of these ppl who self-identify as "skinheads" or just dudes with shaved heads