Anticipating DOLLHOUSE

srsly pick up fringe instead dudes

I am hanging on mainly because my husband is so excited about this show. We're both big Whedon fans, but I fear my husband is a bigger fan than I am. PRetty sure if he wouldn't be around, I'd have given up a few eps ago. But it's engaging. Only not enough to hang on for a long time. :-(

I haven't read every post on this thread (as I'm behind a few eps). So they are cancelling the show or what?

I love the idea of the show a lot but the way it's handled is actually pretty majorly dud.

This show is deeply flawed and not worthy of pickup but I'd still watch this over boring old Fringe.

no way! this show is booooooooooooooring, fringe is right goofy and at least entertaining

whedon's burning through his accmulated goodwill pretty rapidly w/this one

The scientist dude and his son are vaguely interesting, but the rest of the show is so quasi-X Files/Alias that I can't really care. And the lead actress is in some sort of waking coma.

yeah she is dull

I dunno, fringe I'll happily watch two or three in a row; sure it's a bit mindless and silly but it's fun. goofy is the right word I think

dollhouse is just a dirge to me; yet, I've watched them all so... go figure : /

Hold on, you talking about Dollhouse cause she's s'posed to be "sleepwalking". She's just an empty shell. Truth be told, I think the acting is majorly dud.

No, I'm talking about Fringe.

i thought the last couple of dollhouses were good. like maybe if they had started with this stuff instead of six weeks of fox-mandated timewasting this show could've been better.

I totally agree, if the last few solid episodes has been in the first six instead of the back, there'd be far more good will. Dollhouse isn't amazing right now, but it's still quite good and getting better with each episode. Buffy and Angel had pretty mediocre/weak first seasons.

I wish more people would skip Dollhouse and Fringe and watch Burn Notice instead.

I tried. It sucked.

I wish the X-Files was back :/

Buffy had a fantastic first season! I think because of it, I was expecting Dollhouse to be a little funnier, it seems to take itself really seriously.

Eliza Dushku wears the most ridiculous fucking clothes in this show.

first xander, now topher. soon: jamin, cholas, and thaniel.

http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Imported/BioPix/Ri/2007/WhyWaitCampaign/zander-berkeley.jpg

"Cholas? That's just a stupid name!"

http://eur.i1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/premiere_photo/20050906/03/2900708854.jpg

"I agree!"

Okay, that was pretty awesome. Yay, Wash!

stupid internet spoils everything

but yeah, tight ep

This series is frustrating, episodes of awesome surrounded by the most tedious sub-Charmed drivel. That said, tonight's episode was good, the kind of payoff I've been waiting for. It's too bad that the first half of the season was ass and because of that most of the audience has disappeared.

I hadn't seen the spoilers. Honestly, I can't think of the last time I was genuinely surprised by a plot twist on TV. Refreshing!

"I went to grade school with Jenna Elfman."

Bah. I really wish hadn't been spoiled on the ***** thing. As soon as Alan Tudyk's name appeared in the credits I was like, "Ahh, that'll be that then."

Really good episode apart from that. Just wish it wasn't 99.9999% likely that this series won't be getting renewed.

It's been renewed. I think I'm actually kind of happy about that.

The last few episodes were markedly better than the rest of the season.

It'll be interesting to see how Fox handles the 13th episode that is apparently going direct to DVD. Either it's a one-off and they'll show it eventually, or they'll have to graft it on to the beginning of next season. Supposedly the background bits of the unaired pilot were already stuck into the rest of the series, so they're going to never acknowledge it existed.

i believe the 13th was supposed to be a standalone/one-off episode.

I more or less gave up on Dollhouse. :-(

Oh, it's good stuff. Not sure if I buy the whole Dollhouse as meta-fiction angle, but I think Whedon is at least getting more into the interesting questions about identity, etc.

It fits, if anything I thought they were hitting us over the head with the whole "Hollywood = prostitution" allegory (perhaps on another level too, given how far they pimped out Dushku's body to sell the show in a misleading way). But I do find the more Alias-esque spy stuff and hard sci-fi bent about the implications of the technology to be far more interesting than that, as well as the soupy identity issues.

Definitely glad they decided to give this show another chance, most of Whedon's shows took time to develop into something good.

I hope the detective guy disappears partway into the new season, his "WHERE IS THE DOLLHOUSE" quest was really one-note and doesn't advance anything in individual episodes or the plot at large. The Alpha stuff is more entertaining and better scripted/acted, imo.

just read somewhere that Fox is going to air the 13th episode, to avoid it being pirated once it airs in the UK and europe in the next couple months. the article said this summer sometime, probably June.

well Epitaph One is remarkably different from anything I expected

after watching the pilot followed by Epitaph One, this is my new favorite tv show. if FOX had aired it like they were supposed to - pilot first, running plot interspersed with "mission" episodes, Epitaph One at the end, critics would be hailing this show as the best sci fi tv since BSG.

The original pilot is definitely interesting, and in a lot of ways is better than the pilot they aired (esp. in terms of showing the different possible plots and showcasing Dushku's acting - probably some of her best in the series). But it's also weirdly clumsy in direction (compare the Adele/client scene to the way they used it in Epitaph One, much better edited) like early Buffy/Angel episodes, a kind of muddy tone. Also there's a ton of plot twists that often worked better spread out over 6-8 episodes, once the characters has been invested.

Epitaph One though, fucking great! I can't believe they didn't air it. Really ballsy and expressing the show's potential, though I wonder how/if they're possibly going to follow through with its revelations in the coming season(s), or if this will simply be a fantasy What If? scenario.

I read a report from the comic-con panel that they will be following up on epitaph one in the next season, even keeping up with felicia day et al.

I was wondering about that - Felicia Day was clearly shown in an earlier episode as a Doll, though she didn't get any lines - but the 13th episode only subtly references this.

this show is deck fuiud

v v excited for season 2. itunesing ep 1 now.

Definitely dug it. Felt like every character got depth upgrades, largely reflective of Epitaph One. Dushku's performance was one of her better ones, too - hopefully she can keep it up (and just as well, the scripts for her character) for the whole season.

I was kind of hoping the whole show would be set in the future now!

So, I really liked the season premiere but... I'm totally confused? Didn't the season finale last season end with Wash liberating Echo from the Dollhouse? I feel like I missed a season in between or something?

Love this show but the credits are like reading the Jumble puzzle or something:

ELIZA DUSHKU
TAHMOH PENIKETT
DICHEN LACHMAN
FRAN KRANZ
ENVER GJOKAJ

It's unusually hard to match up names with faces!

Ira Glass interviewing Joss Whedon: "Does Dollhouse feel like a Joss Whedon show to you?"

mordy: Did you miss episode 12? it ended with her having this merge of 37 or so personalities and being rescued by Boyd and Ballard. The effects of the supermerge are still taking their toll apparently. Ballard made a deal to work with the Dollhouse to free Mellie/November from her contract.

If you get a chance you really gotta try to see the unaired episode 13, it's fantastic.

I liked seeing Lee Adama get his ass kicked by Echo. And I enjoyed seeing him play a mean character, that was kind of fun. They've set up a lot of interesting plot points in this one episode, I'm really excited for this season.

Oh. Hmm. I guess 12 is the last one I saw. Did they air 13 way after 12? Or did I just miss it?

13 wasn't aired, it was just on the dvd I think. It is easily located at all of the torrent sites.

still haven't seen any of s02. but s01 was excellent. only one or two 'mission' strands was dud. most of them tied in with the bigger plot nicely.

surprised at the hateration upthread. maybe it works better on dvd. i never got into buffy and folk seem to have expectations of joss whedon (campness + comedy banter?) im unaware of.

i will say it has the worst theme music in history.