immigrant & ethnic food cultures, white ppl & appropriation, foodies

"But that's very different from the authenticity we demand from "ethnic" cuisine. In that case, Ray says, what we really want is a replica, "a true copy of our expectations" — some platonic ideal of what a dish should taste like. It's a definition of authenticity that can trap the immigrant cook in very narrow expectations."

feel like the book must push this further, because this is pretty empty without a discussion of what "our" expectations are, and how they're shaped. I thought the point that "ethnic" food (ooh I hate that term) is expected to be cheap was a good point and a step in this direction.

to me talk of "authentic" food can often be cashed out as "I want to make sure what I'm eating isn't a bullshit take on it". we want to avoid being conned by a corny or inferior version of the cuisine. in 2016 people seeking out "exotic" foods know how often cooks design food for mainstream appeal, and "foodies" worry that their experience of this food, the experience that will shape their future experiences of it, will be mediocre.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/the-next-big-thing-in-american-regional-cooking-humble-appalachia/2016/03/28/77da176a-f06d-11e5-89c3-a647fcce95e0_story.html

obliquely related to this thread

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/race-art-and-essentialism

my takeaway from that is that both of those dudes should probably stick to writing only about white ppl from now on

http://gothamist.com/2016/04/09/desi_poutine.php

sign me up

oh mama

appropriating this Irish staple imo

http://www.macarisratoath.com/cms_admin/gallery/upimg/1361547803_561703_449576815101679_1109837085_n.jpg

yeah, was gonna say...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/manhattans-latest-purveyor-of-matcha-1458834300

two white dudes open a matcha cafe in manhattan

I didn't realize matcha was on trend, I just thought it was tea.

it's pure concentrated superfood

Anyone have an Uzbek or sim central asian rec in Queens? I went to the one everyone knows (Cheburechnaya) and was pretty let down.

This is sort of interesting:

http://eatoffbeat.com/who-we-are/

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Friday, April 1, 2016 9:25 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

So we actually wound up doing this with some friends in the neighborhood -- they'll deliver the food to you for a minimum of 10 people plus a delivery fee. We did the menu with jackfruit salad, veggie momos, hummus, chari bari (meatballs) and hashwe (chicken rice pilaf). It came to a little over $20/person all in, and the food was very very good, although the quantity they provided wasn't really enough for the amount of people somehow (may have been because a lot of people had small kids who we assumed would just eat chicken nuggets and some wound up eating some of the food). Although the food was from different cuisines, they worked together reasonably well based on the menu they put together. It was fairly simple (not in a bad way) home-cooked tasting food, sort of like getting a sampler from five different good hole-in-the-wall joints or taxi stands.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ethnic-restaurants-food-safety-racism_us_5706984be4b0a506064e771d?bmx6ywbrpijp2e29

As The Atlantic’s CityLab reported last fall, the food served at so-called “ethnic” restaurants — typically referring to cuisines such as Chinese, Mexican or Middle Eastern, but not so much Italian or French — is more often blamed for suspected food poisoning than restaurants that are white-owned.

A separate analysis published by Slate in 2014 found that more Yelp users claimed they had gotten food poisoning from Asian restaurants than from any other type of cuisine.

Hawaiian poke place opened yesterday but I'm nervous about landlocked, affordable (Chipotle-esque) raw fish.

it's the same fish they'd serve at a coastal place

your reasoning should work

however that doesn't explain why sushi/sashimi in los angeles is such garbage, but better in san francisco or the pnw

maybe LA is just a bad place

xp - yeah, but I mean in terms of cost. Decent sushi around here for 8 pieces of nigiri and a tuna hand roll is $25-30, this place is charging $10.50 for a large bowl.

btw had it for dinner and it was pretty good (far superior to other non-taqueria meals you can get for $10.50+tax), I reserve the right to change my mind if I get sick

They may not be Asian like most of the new wave of chefs making headlines, but Grinker and Young are devoted disciples of Chinese cuisine. After attending the New England Culinary Institute, they cooked in a renowned Chinese restaurant in Vermont
― 龜, Friday, April 8, 2016 5:21 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i lol'd at that too, also at the comparison of the decor to an opium den

― art, Friday, April 8, 2016 5:32 PM (3 days ago)

just for the record i have been to this place in VT, owned/chef'd by a nice taiwanese lady btw, several times and it is very good

calling it renowned is interesting because while it is very good and has been written up in the times in the past it's more of a minor secret in town here, there are always people there but never like lines out the door

hook me up, man

it's the chinese restaurant in vermont, you know, that one

hook me up, man

― jason waterfalls (gbx), Tuesday, April 12, 2016 7:27 AM (5 hours ago)

a single pebble in burlington

i don't live there anymore tho :(

it's the chinese restaurant in vermont, you know, that one

― μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:07 AM (2 hours ago)

lol in fairness i saw "renowned chinese restaurant in VT" and was like, yeah it's gotta be that one

burlington is so farrrrrrrrr

Take Amtrak it'll be fun

I was being facetious but I have walked by that restaurant, lol

silby -- i hadn't thought of that, but now that i've checked out amtrak, that could be a fun weekend actually

wait til it's warm, burlington is so great in the spring/summer

been considering heading there during my vacation if my friends are around for a visit

hmm does Amtrak go to Quebec? prob not

You can get to Montreal via Amtrak:
https://www.amtrak.com/adirondack-train

The Adirondack is a beautiful, peaceful ride.

looks like it's a car or car-and-ferry ride around the lake to get from burlington to that route

amtrak doesn't go to montreal from burlington but it's like a 90-minute drive, it was a great weekend getaway when i lived there

http://www.okayafrica.com/news/5-african-foodies-redefining-diasporan-culinary-experience/

had my first ever spice bag last night. It's pretty...dry. Was only a couple of beers deep so probably wasn't the optimum scenario but fairly enjoyable up until the last 25% or so of fiery stodge. Felt a bit woozy after that

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/03/04/why-delicious-indian-food-is-surprisingly-unpopular-in-the-u-s/

thesis seems implausible, the uk has a huge number of cheap (+otherwise) indian restaurants, the difference being a bigger, longer established south asian population. also tandoors are fast

Bangladeshi chef, originally arrived in France as a refugee, making his mark in Paris

https://www.wbez.org/shows/on-the-media/is-this-food-racist/efeca545-377a-4803-a2dd-aacb74d0a6ab
and
http://www.sporkful.com/other-peoples-food-the-trailer/

You down with OPF?

curious about the optics of having a white host for a show about white people's appropriation of other culture's food

i kinda love this http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/dining/11cashew.html?mwrsm=Twitter

I listened to a couple of those, the one with Dapwell is hilarious. Rick Bayless came off as a surprisingly tone deaf, defensive, un-woke white dude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EVbLZNWbLE

i love this eater series

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=echYUZMCZbs

An Ethiopian buffet and bar is opening up in the same shopping center as the poké place we have, at their other location they have bands or DJs every Friday and Saturday night. Pretty psyched for that.