Conventional Mealy Mouths: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 5

He said, "Oh, I love your work. I’ve used a lot of the ideas in Glengarry Glen Ross in talking to people while I was governing.

so Ted Cruz was a governor too eh

The interesting thing to me about Ted Cruz is everybody that one talks to, they say, "I don't like him," and you say, "Oh, well why?" And they can’t tell you.
I’ve used a lot of the ideas in Glengarry Glen Ross in talking to people while I was governing. In talking about senate and politics and all of that stuff.
The interesting thing to me about Ted Cruz is everybody that one talks to, they say, "I don't like him," and you say, "Oh, well why?" And they can’t tell you.
I’ve used a lot of the ideas in Glengarry Glen Ross in talking to people while I was governing. In talking about senate and politics and all of that stuff.
The interesting thing to me about Ted Cruz is everybody that one talks to, they say, "I don't like him," and you say, "Oh, well why?" And they can’t tell you.
I’ve used a lot of the ideas in Glengarry Glen Ross in talking to people while I was governing. In talking about senate and politics and all of that stuff.
The interesting thing to me about Ted Cruz is everybody that one talks to, they say, "I don't like him," and you say, "Oh, well why?" And they can’t tell you.
I’ve used a lot of the ideas in Glengarry Glen Ross in talking to people while I was governing. In talking about senate and politics and all of that stuff.
The interesting thing to me about Ted Cruz is everybody that one talks to, they say, "I don't like him," and you say, "Oh, well why?" And they can’t tell you.
I’ve used a lot of the ideas in Glengarry Glen Ross in talking to people while I was governing. In talking about senate and politics and all of that stuff.
The interesting thing to me about Ted Cruz is everybody that one talks to, they say, "I don't like him," and you say, "Oh, well why?" And they can’t tell you.
I’ve used a lot of the ideas in Glengarry Glen Ross in talking to people while I was governing. In talking about senate and politics and all of that stuff.

if Facebook were smart, they would release a feature to let you filter out political posts. My wife actively hates Bernie now because of the constant hectoring posts linked by friends on her FB feed.
― o. nate, Friday, April 8, 2016 11:31 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

There's a third party FB extension called Purity for your browser that can do that. Blocks all posts with keywords you specify. I barely see those posts anymore

also in the Reporter, Sanders interviewed by Spike Lee

We're doing phenomenally well with all of the young people — white, black, Latino, you name it, Asian-American. And we're getting killed, frankly, not just with older African-Americans but also older whites, older Latinos. It's the weirdest thing in the world. And what really bothers me is I spent half my life in Congress helping to lead the effort for senior citizens: We led the effort against cuts to Social Security — we want to expand Social Security; we took on the drug companies who are doing terrible things to elderly people. You know seniors are cutting their prescription drugs in half. So we have a lot of work to do in terms of reaching out to seniors, not just African-Americans, but seniors all across the board. We're figuring out how you get the message out there....

Vermont and rural America, people talk about guns, you know what they're talking about? They're talking about hunting. And it is something that my state, tens and tens of thousands of people do. They take their kids into the woods, there's target practice, there are antique gun shows, and that's what guns are. I do know that guns mean something very different around urban America. And what we have got to do is get a handle on this horrific gun violence. There's no question about that. I have a D-minus voting record from the NRA. D-minus voting record. And I have stood up to them for years. In 1988, Spike, I ran for the United States Congress in the state of Vermont. I lost that election because I was the only candidate who said, "You know what, maybe we should not be selling and distributing military-style assault weapons in this country, weapons designed just to kill people?" I lost by three points, and perhaps that was the reason.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/bernie-sanders-interviewed-by-spike-880788

his point that Clinton isn't responsible for prosecuting WS malfeasance is accurate - that lack of prosecution (which Barney agrees is a problem) is the fault of Obama (and I guess the Justice Dept/SEC?)

― Οὖτις, Friday, April 8, 2016 11:44 AM (19 minutes ago)

i wasn't disputing that -- i was noting the fact that he used the same cheap tactic of "oh i guess if you're for [insert liberal fantasy] what you're really saying is you're disagreeing with (gasp) president obama!" that clinton and some of her DNC minions have been using

i'm sorry but we should deal with things of substance in this thread

please watch

https://twitter.com/MicheleBachmann/status/718449601049673728

you can say you like frank while also saying his knee-jerk Good Dem stuff is lame. don't tell me you've lost all capacity for nuance xp

i think there's a non-zero chance that what bernie supporters mostly dislike about frank + krugman is that they aren't endorsing bernie.

bernie btw released a statement about his 10,000 gaza deaths statement:
https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12938213_471625293036783_2993797711925271968_n.png?oh=eda4edafc33b8ddd0a07142be37dc9c8&oe=5784B828

contains this gem: "There is no candidate for president who will be a stronger supporter of Israel's right to exist in freedom, peace and security."

you can say you like frank while also saying his knee-jerk Good Dem stuff is lame.

his point about Obama was clumsily made and largely unnecessary so even tho I think he was technically correct I agree it was a pointless digression

everybody that one talks to, they say, "I don't like him,"

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bernie btw released a statement about his 10,000 gaza deaths statement:
https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12938213_471625293036783_2993797711925271968_n.png?oh=eda4edafc33b8ddd0a07142be37dc9c8&oe=5784B828

contains this gem: "There is no candidate for president who will be a stronger supporter of Israel's right to exist in freedom, peace and security."

― Mordy, Friday, 8 April 2016 16:12 (12 minutes ago) Permalink

The Gaza thing was a total gotcha -- he got a number wrong off the top of his head and people painted him as a BDS supporter.

^

caveat pollster, but hehe

The California Democratic primary is up for grabs, as Hillary Clinton has watched her onetime 63-point lead in the polls shrink to six points over Sen. Bernie Sanders, according to a Field Poll released Friday.

She hasn't had a 60-point lead in California since a year ago, when she had a 60-point lead everywhere. But nice to see you getting into the horserace!

just cleanin the stable

Bern has rallies in Flatbush and Greenpoint today

i get personalized text messages from the bernie campaign, always with women's names. "hi this is bethany, please join us in greenpoint next friday for a campaign rally!" it's sort of how i imagine people get lured into joining the hari krishnas

stay strong treesh

i'm still voting for bernie but, tbh, i am pretty disappointed in the daily news interview and the overall vagueness of his proposals. my dreams for america are the same as his, it seems -- free tuition, single payer health care, an end to the stress and suffering that characterize life for too many lower income americans, etc. i even believe in a universal basic income. but i am afraid this kinds of big proposals might be discredited if bernie were to get elected and languish in office for a term or two without accomplishing anything...

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_5XvBYfxU_dM/Sr7e5udehbI/AAAAAAAAC6E/-iioJDWDrJc/I%27m%20Cheryl.%20Fly%20Me%20-%20Braniff%20ad%5B2%5D.png?imgmax=800

like, in an era when money and power are being concentrated into fewer and fewer hands, mass wealth redistribution is not idealistic, it's pragmatic. it's the only way to maintain a strong consumer base! bernie's reputation is that of an idealist.. i'm not sure he is so good for the socialist brand.

these are all very new things i am thinking. i was so excited by his campaign, and still am in a sense -- i love hearing these ideas get a wider audience. idk. hopefully someone smarter than me can help me work through some of these concerns.

i get personalized text messages from the bernie campaign, always with women's names.

haha i noticed this too

like, in an era when money and power are being concentrated into fewer and fewer hands, mass wealth redistribution is not idealistic, it's pragmatic. it's the only way to maintain a strong consumer base! bernie's reputation is that of an idealist.. i'm not sure he is so good for the socialist brand.

these are all very new things i am thinking. i was so excited by his campaign, and still am in a sense -- i love hearing these ideas get a wider audience. idk. hopefully someone smarter than me can help me work through some of these concerns.

― Treeship, Friday, April 8, 2016 12:55 PM (11 minutes ago)

well he's not going to win, for one, so your worst-case scenario you outlined won't happen

he might if Bubba keeps talkin'

bernie flirty fishin'

also david mamet has reprehensible political views

All the text messages the Sanders campaign sends me have male names, wtf? I'm guessing they think my first name sounds female?

didnt realize Bern was tryin to be everybody's wingman

why would they hetero-profile their e-list?

i'm still voting for bernie but, tbh, i am pretty disappointed in the daily news interview and the overall vagueness of his proposals. my dreams for america are the same as his, it seems -- free tuition, single payer health care, an end to the stress and suffering that characterize life for too many lower income americans, etc. i even believe in a universal basic income. but i am afraid this kinds of big proposals might be discredited if bernie were to get elected and languish in office for a term or two without accomplishing anything...

― Treeship, Friday, April 8, 2016 12:52 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

coming from a place with single payer and free tuition, i'll assure you the stress and suffering exists.

they might not be doing that, idk. i've only gotten two texts from his campaign -- one from "kristy" and one from "bethany."

xp morbs

Ha, you're kidding about free tuition, right, VHS?

Unless you came to Montreal from Sweden or somewhere.

Quebec dude, the almost socialist would be republic of North America.

I'm starting to get pissed off that this primary is the longest in my lifetime, yet STILL California has not cast one single fucking vote and its one of the biggest (if not the biggest) state in terms of national influence and electoral votes.

Then when whoever wins in 2016 nobody will give a shit about the state except for sweet sweet fundraising caysh and will fuck up my commute to work. =(

Were you guys paying attention in 2008? Traffic was bad too. Gas more expensive though

def remember Hil faking empathy over "a gallonagas"

zach gallonafagas

ya my ubc degree was definitely not free

stateside it is ridiculous how much free money you can get from so many sources, and the acceptance bar is so low

“On her worst day she would be an infinitely better president than either of the Republican candidates,” Sanders said.

Yea, "infinitely," what horseshit. I suspect she would be indistinguishable from Trump/Cruz/Convention Savior on surveillance and whistleblower prosecutions, to start.

there you go again

Yea, "infinitely," what horseshit. I suspect she would be indistinguishable from Trump/Cruz/Convention Savior on surveillance and whistleblower prosecutions, to start.

― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius

but better on appointing the right people to regulatory agencies and federal judgeships, which after state legislators is where the malfeasance begin.

See? Nuance!

just imagine how much morbius will gloat when hillary ends remittances to mexico

You know what this is:

http://gawker.com/my-wednesday-night-making-long-island-great-again-1769615150

Bill says...
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2F9e%2Ff1%2Fa3%2F9ef1a377114a5c93648c5f8a7a3e549c.jpg&f=1

(fwiw the last page in that book is about how saying "I'm sorry" isn't good enough lol)

is the left-wing disdain for krugman a new thing bc of his hillary support? i thought just a few years ago he was like the economist darling of the american left

i've never known anyone who takes him seriously other than liberals

Billy Blythe literally said he "almost" feels like apologizing!

He is a class act in matters small and genocidal

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/opinion/sanders-over-the-edge.html

another wonderful krugman column

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/voting-alone/477270/

Most Americans engage with the civic lives of their communities at least a few times a year. Maybe they’re part of a book club, or a neighborhood association. Perhaps they belong to a sports team, or the local PTA.

Most, but not all. The Americans who are civically disengaged—who seldom, or never, participate in such activities—are in many ways distinct from their neighbors. On average, they earn lower incomes; they’re less well-educated; they’re more financially distressed; and they’re less likely to attend religious services. And most of Donald Trump’s support is drawn from their ranks.

Those conclusions are taken from a new PRRI / The Atlantic poll. It finds that among voters who identify with or lean toward the Republican Party, Trump draws 37 percent support, to Ted Cruz’s 31 percent. But among the same voters, 50 percent of those who are civically disengaged back Trump, while just 24 percent favor Cruz.

does riding the subway count as civic engagement y/n

this is a fun blast-from-the-past read. notice any similarities? http://www.salon.com/2008/04/14/obama_supporters/

a growing number of young women are struggling to describe a gut conviction that there is something dark and funky, and probably not so female-friendly, running below the frantic fanaticism of their Obama-loving compatriots.

I began reporting this story in part because, as a 32-year-old woman who is more liberal than either candidate, and who was quite torn until Super Tuesday, I had found myself increasingly defensive of Clinton in the face of the Obama worship that rules the mostly white, liberal, well-educated circles in which I work and travel. I was confused by the saucer-eyed, unquestioning devotion shown by my formerly cynical cohorts, especially when it was accompanied, as it often was, by a sharp renunciation of Hillary Clinton, whose policies are so similar to her opponent’s. I was horrified by the frequent proclamations that if Obama did not win the nomination, his supporters would abstain from voting in the general election, or even vote for John McCain. I was suspicious of the cultlike commitment to an undeniably brilliant and inspiring man –- but one whom even his wife calls “just a man.”

I am a loud feminist and a longtime Clinton skeptic who was suddenly feeling that I needed to rationalize, apologize for, or even just stay quiet about my increasing unease with the way Clinton was being discussed.