itt: consternation and wailing about Zach Snyder's upcoming SUPERMAN/BATMAN film/sequel to MAN OF STEEL -- official title: BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE

count me in as another Ang Lee Hulk fan. we must band together.

I really did not like the first Captain America. it felt a little cartoony in not such a good way at times, decently mediocre the rest. loved the second

didn't like Thor 2 at all. bleh. liked the first one tho!

everybody ITT otm about Iron Man flicks.

GotG also great, Ant-Man a good entry.

did not like Norton's Hulk much at all, last half of it just looked like a boring video game. didn't like him as Bruce/Hulk (and I normally like Norton), much prefer Ruffalo now.

X-2 was really fuckin dope IMO.

i remember being really impressed by X2 at the time. like, okay, they got it right, now that's an x-men movie! i've been a little hesitant to ever revisit it because my sense of the first one is that it's aged reeeeeally badly and i don't want that to be true of the second. compared to where raimi got spider-man very soon after, they seem like kinda unwieldy ensemble movies, too many characters (which the third obviously runs over a cliff with, among its many problems), too much plot mechanics and not enough story. but even if they're flawed it's kinda amazing how much they got right - hard to imagine we'd have this current superhero thing going if the period had been kickstarted by daredevil and catwoman.

omg Catwoman

so easy to forget that....that....happened

also is there anybody in the world that saw Steel

"best superhero movie nobody in the world saw" might have potential as a poll

A contender:

http://www.hirescovers.net/gallery/albums/userpics/29733/normal_mss_generationx.jpg

Oh wait you said best

lol yeah i feel like 'worst' would basically become catwoman versus everything else anyway. would be interested to see people arguing the merits of meteor man, elektra, barb wire.

alternately: best dumb sueprhero comedy picture from before superheroes were popular enough for this to make sense as a thing. blankman, mystery men, my super ex girlfriend...

have never seen generation x though (nor the nick fury TV pilot) which is surprising because i really liked the comic.

Out of everything you listed Barb Wire is the clear winner. It's somewhere right in between Barbarella and Tank Girl, and in some ways might be better than both.

not having seen barb wire i am nonetheless kind of flabbergasted at the idea that it could possibly be better than barbarella on any level. tank girl is pretty bad though.

just think for a second, that more money than any of us will likely ever see in our lifetimes was spent on the catwoman movie.

alternately: best dumb sueprhero comedy picture from before superheroes were popular enough for this to make sense as a thing. blankman, mystery men, my super ex girlfriend...

I thought Mystery Men was great back in the day but I haven't seen it since back in the day to say whether it's aged at all well. An unadulterated Burden adaptation is just about my dream (non-Marvel) comic book movie.

A movie of the Gumby Summer Fun Special that Burden wrote would be the funnest movie ever.

i rewatched some of BvS just because i was doubting that i saw some of its scenes

batman punches superman a lot and notices that it has no effect. his next move? find some blunt objects to hit supes with.

despite jon peters having no credit, the movie features a pointless scene where a monster climbs to the top of a skyscraper and is shot at by helicopters.

how did this cost $250M? it's all either close-ups of actors' faces or 100% CG. the shot of superman recovering from being nuked is one of the shoddiest CG shots in recent memory.

on its 13th day of release, a wednesday, the force awakens made 28 million. on its 13th day of release, a wednesday, BvS made 2.8 million.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSGXERUKBj4

aaahahaha wow.

Hulk CGI looks terrible, freeze-frame death looks fun, if that's the Ang Lee one ppl are talking about having done playful panel-on-screen stuff

despite jon peters having no credit, the movie features a pointless scene where a monster climbs to the top of a skyscraper and is shot at by helicopters.

haha good catch!

Yeah, that kind of thing is what makes the Ang Lee hulk so fun, I'm very suspicious of those that don't like it.

ulysses list largely otm, Thor 2 in "great" is sort of jaw-dropping though.

i don't think they should ALL be that, but if they don't have a really unique story they want to tell through the use of this particular character/milieu, better just to be like, this is the one where he goes to japan and fights silver samurai, than to reach instead for gratuitous darkness-as-depth and emptied-out fate-of-the-world non-suspense.

I actually watched this for the first time last week, it does have an awful lot of "Wolverine would like to die" in it.

best superhero movie nobody watched = the shadow easily imo

i actually kinda liked the green hornet

it was a mess but there were a few nice michel gondry touches and it was occasionally funny. as green-themed superheroes goes it was better than green lantern...

Most superhero movies leave me fairly unmoved, but I did find Amazing Spider-Man 2 quite eye-catching and fun. Then I learned that everyone hated it to such an extent that it killed the franchise.

I would like to see a Flaming Carrot movie, but I have no idea who could direct a good one. Harmony Korine, maybe...

gunn

alternately: best dumb sueprhero comedy picture from before superheroes were popular enough for this to make sense as a thing. blankman, mystery men, my super ex girlfriend...

http://cultfilmclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/spec.jpg

sky high was pretty good and mostly overlooked iirc

James Gunn has done (at least, arguably) two of these.

Really liked the Constantine movie though hard to think of it as a superhero, or a movie about Constantine for that matter. Something about Peter Stormare pulling hot tar out of Keanu's lungs to stop him from ascending to heaven still feels so right. Plus a movie with Tilda Swinton as an androgynous duplicitous angel can't be bad.

Yeah, the Constantine movie was quite good; I think of it more like a horror movie in the vein of The Prophecy than a comic book movie, though.

yeah constantine got trashed in popular opinion for reasons that have nothing to do w/ the actual movie on its own

I never saw them, but I thought there were some people repping for Push and Chronicle?

Constantine is good but off-topic - you might as well list the Matrix.

Constantine is considerably more on-topic than most of what we've been discussing over the past several days.

I'll never be able to give the movie a fair shake because I have some real affection for the character and can't get past yet another instance of WC/DC going wildly off-book in adapting their intellectual property. The recent short-lived show was mostly just okay but at least Matt Ryan was note perfect as the character.

aye, chronicle is def watchable, and much better than f4nt4stic 4 f4ur44four

Chronicle is a great unofficial X-Men/New Mutants movie

I like Push, but it's plot is very ephemeral

Here is my defense of Catwoman from way back in the ILX archives:

Catwoman featured many many shots of Halle Berry in skin-tight leather pants, ergo it cannot have been horrendous.

― HI DERE, Wednesday, February 20, 2008 5:54 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

half of those shots were of the adrianne version of halle berry, ergo it was horrendous. CG animated cats in non-cartoon movie = fuck you creepy weird bastards

― El Tomboto, Wednesday, February 20, 2008 5:59 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ah, but half of them WERE NOT!

― HI DERE, Wednesday, February 20, 2008 6:00 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"You can argue with me, but you can't argue with science"

sky high was pretty good and mostly overlooked iirc

yeah this was great! I should watch this with my kids.

i rewatched the shadow a year or two ago. it's really not very good, i'm sorry to say. some neat production/set stuff and a few cool sequences (the invisible building, the rube goldberg delivery of messages to the shadow or whatever), but most of it's just kinda some stuff that happens and the script/baldwin play our hero as such a horrible asshole that it's hard to be like "yeah! i can't wait for more shadow adventures!" i mean, he's introduced to us as a sadistic opium-dealing warlord. that's a lot to get out from under, and then when he is the shadow he spends a lot of time kinda manipulating randos into being his informants/helpers, and doing the hypnosis thing on whoever, which makes him seem creepy and unpleasant, not heroic.

if they were going for that, as part of a 'superhero noir' or something, that's cool, but it's at odds with the other pulp they're reaching for, the four-color biff-pow side of it. it's possible to straddle that gap if that's absolutely what you set out to do (see: darkman) but shadow doesn't quite work.

billy zane as the phantom is another one i never saw. never heard anything good about it though.

Spawn (1997): I think this might be one of the worst filns I've ever seen

god I love darkman

that "everything wrong with the ang lee hulk movie" video makes the ang lee hulk look awesome

Spawn is special. Twenty years on, it's still one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

Or 'filn', even.

the script/baldwin play our hero as such a horrible asshole that it's hard to be like "yeah! i can't wait for more shadow adventures!" i mean, he's introduced to us as a sadistic opium-dealing warlord. that's a lot to get out from under, and then when he is the shadow he spends a lot of time kinda manipulating randos into being his informants/helpers, and doing the hypnosis thing on whoever, which makes him seem creepy and unpleasant, not heroic.

All this comes straight out of the 1930s version, which is why it's great.

i mean, i grew up with a couple of cassettes of 'shadow' radio programs - not sure from when exactly - and loved them. they were basically just little creepy horror/suspense stories, much closer to 'lights out' (which we had cassettes of from the same box set) or whatever. his evil chuckle, the dramatic music. i'm on board with such a movie. it's just that stuff comports weirdly with the conventions of what is kinda played brightly and colorfully as a good vs. evil superhero kinda movie.

'darkman' otoh seems to be very aware that its lead character is demented, and that the brightness and colorfulness of his universe is a sick joke on him and his suffering. TAKE THE FUCKING ELEPHANT!, indeed.

also, it needed breaks every fifteen minutes for someone to earnestly discuss the virtues of our sponsor BLUE COAL in efficiently heating your home.