Conventional Mealy Mouths: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 5

See? He still has the fire in the belly!

“I’ll tell you another story about a place where black lives matter: Africa.”

hahaha okay lol I missed this one. smdh

I wish these stupid campaigns were half as long. It's more padded than the "Hobbit" trilogy.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, April 7, 2016 4:32 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes, this. this this this.

Sanders seems to have an unfortunate bloc of supporters whose main issues seem to be legal pot and a universal income so they can sit around playing video games and eating Burger King all day. I think they all hang out on Reddit.

"So this guy is a total loser? Let me tell you the story of another loser."
http://bccdn.buddingculturein.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Otter.jpg

you can instantly tell which one of those guys was a legislator and which one is basically an academic lol

― Οὖτις, Thursday, April 7, 2016 5:06 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just in the way they discuss things - Barney gets into the nuts and bolts details, refers to how bills/policy actually work, Reich mostly falls back on rhetoric and the occasional statistic

― Οὖτις, Thursday, April 7, 2016 5:07 PM (1 hour ago)

right, the guy who was basically yelling (though i realize this is more or less how barney talks lol) and went on bizarre tangents about sanders' mccarthyism and how he's attacking obama (and then says he agrees lol) won the debate against the guy who explained how bernie in fact wasn't confusing his policy on the issue, something consistent with most of the reporting on that NYDN article since the interview. you are really far gone man

that and the memoir you're reading must be pretty good

idk Reich didn't seem to have a point beyond "Banks are big and that is bad", I didn't hear much of substance otherwise

Frank's memoir is v entertaining

this kind of thing takes me back! remember the W years??

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cruz-adviser-no-go-zones-minneapolis

Islam, she said, “has actually conquered every single other major civilization it’s ever gone up against, from the Buddhists to the Byzantines to the Middle East Christians to the Middle East Jews to the Hindus to the Persians, conquered every last one of them, some of them might, sophisticated civilizations at their peak, conquered them all. There are only two left standing: the Han Chinese and whatever’s left of Western civilization. That is a sobering reality.”

again my opinion is that trumpism is the worst constituency/ideology but cruz is the worst person with the worst people around him

tbf I've always been a fan of Barney going way back. tbf Reich was one of my favorite Clinton admin guys as well, but his accomplishments are pretty thin compared to Barney's, and that counts for a lot imo.

xp

lmao that quote is just hilarious. there is no history between, idk, the seige of vienna and 9/11

xp

that is the weirdest quote goole, what is she even talking about

well it was a justification for lying about somali neighborhoods in minneapolis, if context even matters here

right it's just so disconnected from any understanding of history - I guess winning some wars = never losing ever! ok

right, the guy who was basically yelling (though i realize this is more or less how barney talks lol) and went on bizarre tangents about sanders' mccarthyism and how he's attacking obama (and then says he agrees lol) won the debate against the guy who explained how bernie in fact wasn't confusing his policy on the issue, something consistent with most of the reporting on that NYDN article since the interview. you are really far gone man

― k3vin k., Thursday, April 7, 2016 6:15 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that and the memoir you're reading must be pretty good

― k3vin k., Thursday, April 7, 2016 6:15 PM

I'm pretty fond of Frank's memoir, and he makes the best case I've seen for how to legislate without compromising one's values.

the argument, by the way, reminded me of the difference between Wilson and TR in 1912: the former wanted to regulate the existing system b/c he recognized it wasn't going anywhere while the latter wanted the federal government to own it.

the Han Chinese and whatever’s left of Western civilization. That is a sobering reality.”

which (even if you agree with cruz's crazy-ass history lesson) is probably about 65% of the world's population!

or actually more like 70%?

i mean "western civ" is what? north america, south america, central america, all of europe

+ china (20% of world's population)

i can't believe i'm even airing this guy's argument

i'm not convinced cruz believes all the bullshit he spouts but i'm absolutely convinced he believed this "clash of civilizations" stuff

er, believes

I like this alternate reality where there's been an unbroken caliphate conquering and ruling various civilizations since 632 AD.

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many many people believe this clash of civilizations stuff, including ISIS

yeah, i know!

I find a lot of the scholarship - whether its Bernard Lewis or Huntington or Robert Fisk - analyzing the roots of radical Islam's fight with basically everyone else fascinating, but positing it within such grandiose rhetoric as EXISTENTIAL THREAT VS. THE WEST has obviously been fairly unhelpful/alarmist.

At the very least this NY primary HAS to be Sanders' last stand as a credible threat, right? Hopefully he'll stop before he damages the credibility of progressivism further.

Also, fuck Jeff Weaver.

― Frederik B, Thursday, April 7, 2016 12:24 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

faggot

Jeff Weavers plan is built on disrupting the race, causing everyone to panic, forget the factual math, and abandon Clinton. There's no way in hell it works without sexism.

Fuck that dude, and shame on Sanders for tripling down on his male privilege.

― Frederik B, Thursday, April 7, 2016 12:42 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

FAGGOT!

i prefer a third term of obama

― Mordy, Thursday, April 7, 2016 3:22 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

FAGGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go eat an asshole

mmm

https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/718181520012214272

Conventional Mealy Mouth Meals: http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/275507-kasich-goes-on-eating-spree-in-the-bronx

let's see if this works...
http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_full/public/blogs/kasicheating.jpg?itok=LcANnNkd

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwFDqumCMAA27A8.jpg

That looks fucking delicious, xp

Last meal?

Bill's response to the BLM protesters today was NAGL, but I kind of wonder if they wanted it that way to help Hillary even more with old white people.

Was just going to mention that and ask whether it's being talked about anywhere, because he basically took up the "If black lives matter why aren't you stopping black on black crime" line.

As someone who admires both of them, I thought that Frank-Reich debate was disappointing. It seemed to quickly devolve into a shouting match. Also, I think Frank didn't do a very good job of defending his own legislation. For one thing, he should have pointed out that Dodd-Frank contains penalties on size in the form of higher capital requirements that are already causing the biggest banks to voluntarily slim down. And Clinton has proposed toughening those even more. The argument isn't really "break up the banks" vs "don't break up the banks". It's how big should the banks be and how do you get them to that size.

How big the banks should be was precisely the point barney kept harping on...?

The argument isn't really "break up the banks" vs "don't break up the banks". It's how big should the banks be and how do you get them to that size.

I thought that was waht Frank suggested.

could we get the FDR Memorial to topple and crush WJC to death?

FDR memorial is kinda diffuse, hard to imagine it toppling all at once.

small enough that I can drown them in a bathtub, obviously

Jesus fucking Christ @ Bill Clinton

I feel so fatigued by this primary right now. Facebook argument got weirdly personal. Election campaigns just should not be anywhere near this long, people are losing it.

no different than 2008 except FB hadn't exploded yet

In what sense had Facebook not exploded yet in 2008?

a lot of people were still on MySpace.

I barely used FB until just after the election, and many of my friends hadn't made the switchover yet. it definitely wasn't as omnipresent as it is now.

the link-sharing mechanism wasn't in place yet, so people weren't shitting links to political articles they hadn't read yet. even "Like" feature hadn't come out yet.

it was more a place where you wrote shit like "Neanderthal is looking at oranges and deciding which one he wants to eat" type posts.

In what sense had Facebook not exploded yet in 2008?

― Andrew Farrell, Friday, April 8, 2016

In my circle FB wasn't a thing until much later in the year. MySpace was still used.

and the following WaPo headline summary is a perfect example of the amorality of the Beltway press:

In a year when the drama has mostly been on the Republican side, it made for great political theater. And it gave Bill Clinton another unforgettable “Sister Souljah Moment."