Conventional Mealy Mouths: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 5

pierce has been reading my posts lately btw

at least somebody is amirite

"Are you qualified to be president of the United States when you're raising millions of dollars from Wall Street?"

FDR worked for Carter Ledyard & Milburn and was from old money, can't he just, for the love of god, focus on policy?

and he showed he was willing to make those ppl unhappy

yeah tom wheeler at the FCC is a good example of someone who comes out of an industry (cable TV) and seems pretty willing to make his old colleagues deeply unhappy.

i think clinton's been trying to present evidence of a similar relationship to wall street but the record is not too helpful in this regard.

As far as I know, Clinton would be a vigorous defender of Dodd Frank, which Wall Street hates. Since that passed, Wall Street political contributions, which used to be fairly balanced by party, have gone lopsidedly to Republicans. Sure Clinton gets more Wall Street money than Sanders, but you can't compare to the amount that for instance Jeb Bush raised from that industry.

Worth a watch re Dodd-Frank:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCwfrhmDmS4

happened last night

Giuliani to Vote for, but Not Endorse, Trump
32 minutes ago

thx for posting that clip Alfred

you can instantly tell which one of those guys was a legislator and which one is basically an academic lol

just in the way they discuss things - Barney gets into the nuts and bolts details, refers to how bills/policy actually work, Reich mostly falls back on rhetoric and the occasional statistic

It was put up by a pro Bernie youtuber, lots of pissed off at Barney comments.

haven't watched the clip, but you'd think that the academic would be into policy, and the politician would be into rhetoric!

painful to read on so many different levels: http://gawker.com/the-big-question-at-the-center-of-hillary-clintons-subw-1769610774

one, the fact that there are so many articles about how she had to swipe her card 4 times to get into the subway
two, the obvious implication that she's an elitist blowhard because she doesn't even know how to swipe her card
three, knowing that on a daily basis i have to re-swipe. i have definitely crossed the 4-swipe threshold dozens of times, and one time i swiped repeatedly for like 2 minutes while stepping to the side to let people through.
four, the comments. oh god, the comments

yeah, those card readers suuuuuuuck i have to swipe twice all the time

if only she had a token :p

It was put up by a pro Bernie youtuber, lots of pissed off at Barney comments.

― Evan, Thursday, April 7, 2016 5:08 PM

was waiting to read a Barney Fag comment

The inability to swipe correctly affects millions of americans is something I've been dealing with for years and I still can't get it right.

It was put up by a pro Bernie youtuber, lots of pissed off at Barney comments.

― Evan, Thursday, April 7, 2016 5:08 PM

was waiting to read a Barney Fag comment

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, April 7, 2016 5:22 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Berniebros/supporters are still progressives after all.

I wish these stupid campaigns were half as long. It's more padded than the "Hobbit" trilogy.

"Barney Frank sounds like a fucking retard" is indicative of the level of discernment in those comments

Nothing in here yet about Bill's flap with BLM? Awkward stuff

just saw that. don't necessarily disagree with what he said per se but I get the sense he's lost it on the campaign stump. he needs to take a back seat going forward.

bill lost his temper a couple times in 08, rememberrrrrrrrr

here ya go:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/bill-clinton-clashes-with-blm-protesters.html

I can see why he got defensive about bills he passed but yeah that was not really the right tack to take

would've been better to be contrite and apologetic about stuff like the super-predator comment or the failings of those particular bills, demonstrate some empathy with their concerns, emphasize Hillary has "learned from past experiences" etc.

but nope that's not our Bubba

Wow, those images above are terrifying.

“The reason they know it’s true is [the protestors] won’t hush. When somebody won’t hush and listen to you, that ain’t democracy. They’re afraid of the truth. Don’t you be afraid of the truth.”
“I’ll tell you another story about a place where black lives matter: Africa.”

omg bill

See? He still has the fire in the belly!

“I’ll tell you another story about a place where black lives matter: Africa.”

hahaha okay lol I missed this one. smdh

I wish these stupid campaigns were half as long. It's more padded than the "Hobbit" trilogy.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, April 7, 2016 4:32 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes, this. this this this.

Sanders seems to have an unfortunate bloc of supporters whose main issues seem to be legal pot and a universal income so they can sit around playing video games and eating Burger King all day. I think they all hang out on Reddit.

"So this guy is a total loser? Let me tell you the story of another loser."
http://bccdn.buddingculturein.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Otter.jpg

you can instantly tell which one of those guys was a legislator and which one is basically an academic lol

― Οὖτις, Thursday, April 7, 2016 5:06 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just in the way they discuss things - Barney gets into the nuts and bolts details, refers to how bills/policy actually work, Reich mostly falls back on rhetoric and the occasional statistic

― Οὖτις, Thursday, April 7, 2016 5:07 PM (1 hour ago)

right, the guy who was basically yelling (though i realize this is more or less how barney talks lol) and went on bizarre tangents about sanders' mccarthyism and how he's attacking obama (and then says he agrees lol) won the debate against the guy who explained how bernie in fact wasn't confusing his policy on the issue, something consistent with most of the reporting on that NYDN article since the interview. you are really far gone man

that and the memoir you're reading must be pretty good

idk Reich didn't seem to have a point beyond "Banks are big and that is bad", I didn't hear much of substance otherwise

Frank's memoir is v entertaining

this kind of thing takes me back! remember the W years??

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cruz-adviser-no-go-zones-minneapolis

Islam, she said, “has actually conquered every single other major civilization it’s ever gone up against, from the Buddhists to the Byzantines to the Middle East Christians to the Middle East Jews to the Hindus to the Persians, conquered every last one of them, some of them might, sophisticated civilizations at their peak, conquered them all. There are only two left standing: the Han Chinese and whatever’s left of Western civilization. That is a sobering reality.”

again my opinion is that trumpism is the worst constituency/ideology but cruz is the worst person with the worst people around him

tbf I've always been a fan of Barney going way back. tbf Reich was one of my favorite Clinton admin guys as well, but his accomplishments are pretty thin compared to Barney's, and that counts for a lot imo.

xp

lmao that quote is just hilarious. there is no history between, idk, the seige of vienna and 9/11

xp

that is the weirdest quote goole, what is she even talking about

well it was a justification for lying about somali neighborhoods in minneapolis, if context even matters here

right it's just so disconnected from any understanding of history - I guess winning some wars = never losing ever! ok

right, the guy who was basically yelling (though i realize this is more or less how barney talks lol) and went on bizarre tangents about sanders' mccarthyism and how he's attacking obama (and then says he agrees lol) won the debate against the guy who explained how bernie in fact wasn't confusing his policy on the issue, something consistent with most of the reporting on that NYDN article since the interview. you are really far gone man

― k3vin k., Thursday, April 7, 2016 6:15 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that and the memoir you're reading must be pretty good

― k3vin k., Thursday, April 7, 2016 6:15 PM

I'm pretty fond of Frank's memoir, and he makes the best case I've seen for how to legislate without compromising one's values.

the argument, by the way, reminded me of the difference between Wilson and TR in 1912: the former wanted to regulate the existing system b/c he recognized it wasn't going anywhere while the latter wanted the federal government to own it.

the Han Chinese and whatever’s left of Western civilization. That is a sobering reality.”

which (even if you agree with cruz's crazy-ass history lesson) is probably about 65% of the world's population!

or actually more like 70%?

i mean "western civ" is what? north america, south america, central america, all of europe

+ china (20% of world's population)

i can't believe i'm even airing this guy's argument

i'm not convinced cruz believes all the bullshit he spouts but i'm absolutely convinced he believed this "clash of civilizations" stuff

er, believes