2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

also in my head i did not say 'web 2.0' or 'twitter-style'

HOOS you have a 'zing me' sticker on your back

Great response email by Obama. There's snark in it, but not the kind that will justify HRC getting indignant about it. And, after all, her campaign's initial email was hard-hitting and snide toward / dismissive of Obama's campaign.

Fight fire with fire.

I can't believe it's possible to send out something this obnoxious and petty and simultaneously present yourself as an inspiring voice of change.

Except that humor plays well than anger. It implies that he's ahead, that he's comfortable, and in charge. It also helps put the lie to her spin that she's got more experience; if they can counter her manipulations without looking too frustrated, HRC will be the one looking desperate.

Shakey, basically OTM

This is the off the cuff, casual, twitter style commentary that is the main mode of communication in "Web 2.0" It seems like one of my friends could have written it!

Yeah exactly. Is America really ready for a president who tweets?

even over Clinton

LOL

Anyway--I'm not really saying this is going to hurt his campaign in a significant way, just that it's absolutely painful to read.

get that checked out

Except that humor plays well than anger.

It's not really humor tho, just that exaggeratedly sarcastic "LOL yr argument is so stupid it's just funny to me!!!" tone that people adopt in message board arguments to hide their keyboard-destroying rage.

HOOS you have a 'zing me' sticker on your back

-- deej, Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:13 PM

yeah hence the 'distance myself' followup

where my surrogates at

that tone is called "glee," xp

no it's not

It's not really humor tho, just that exaggeratedly sarcastic "LOL yr argument is so stupid it's just funny to me!!!" tone that people adopt in message board arguments to hide their keyboard-destroying rage.

I didn't read it that way. I read it very much like the Obama campaign has generally played it. He's got a wry sense of humor that appeals, I think, and it's not as if the responses don't attempt to refute HRC's points.

i like you, hoos

so does deej he's just shy

The thing is I think they would make a wonderful ticket, with Obama as President. All their best and worst qualities matched!

That's just a reflection of personality, not of intelligence or ability.

I don't think either one of them will ever be veep to the other and I frankly don't think it's the best ge strategy, but as his veep, I can see Obama at times say to his staffers re: HRC, "Release the hounds!"

LOL

hahaha

I thought the annotated email response thing was great!

y'all are getting really fragile if you think that Obama campaign response above is going to hurt him at all.

i like you, hoos

so does deej he's just shy

-- deeznuts, Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:22 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link

ha not at all, hoos is the man. i just thought the 'my inner monologue was cooler than his' sentiments were ripe for zingin

both race and gender cards were played by hillary

-- deej, Thursday, 13 March 2008 21:26 (Yesterday) Link

Every time you say this, you play the "deej" card.

honest assessment of the candidates?

breaking news: even my Hillary-supporting wife has now switched over to Obama. Even she now thinks Hillary wants to win at all costs. Which makes me feel a little tired of trying to be a cap'n-save-a-hillary Obama supporter.

What finally pushed her away from HRC?

I think it was something she heard Hillary say about why the Michigan primary should count. She got the feeling from it that Hillary had an inadequate sense of fairness.

that was the proverbial straw, anyway

y'all are getting really fragile if you think that Obama campaign response above is going to hurt him at all.

really struck me as a digital-age War Room type thing

it's not one news cycle per day anymore, they wanted to get their zings in before a story based on that Clinton email was even posted on the web

i.e. I loved it

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Audio interview where Hillary claims she didn't say McCain is more qualified than Obama + YouTube clip where Hillary says McCain is more qualified than Obama:

http://donklephant.com/2008/03/13/clinton-claims-she-didnt-say-mccain-is-more-qualified-than-obama/

Boy, the internet sure does suck, doesn't it, Hillary?

Here you are caught lying about Michigan:
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/13/11136/3289/192/475758

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545277093135111.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

here we go folks

"gave the sermon at the school's Andrew Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006"

??? why now?

Is this a "hooray, our background digging team FINALLY found some indirect crap on him" moment?

That WSJ thing is CRAP (and written by some neocon). Denouncing Wright as 'paranoid' is just inappropriate armchair psychology, but also classic establishment tactic to avoid substantive issues aka "teacher, he swore."

"Mr. Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ" makes it look like he owns the place, too.

Mr. Kessler, a former Wall Street Journal and Washington Post reporter, is chief Washington correspondent of Newsmax.com

Ruddy, who serves as editor-in-chief, describes Newsmax.com as "the leading independent online news site with a conservative perspective."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsmax

Inside The Desperate Race To Stop The Next Attack

http://www.ronaldkessler.com/

It's a pretty clumsy attempt to portray a bombastic preacher and local community figure into some sort of black Rasputin (i.e. Obama got his book's title from him, he's been Obama's mentor, Obama prayed with him before he announced his candidacy).

The closing graph that says "it raises legitimate questions" is the partisan newsroom equivalent of "hey, i'm not sayin', i'm just sayin'"

Wait, so he ISN'T a muslim after all?

NYTimes has a much more interesting piece on Obama's momma:

Kansas was merely a way station in her childhood, wheeling westward in the slipstream of her furniture-salesman father. In Hawaii, she married an African student at age 18. Then she married an Indonesian, moved to Jakarta, became an anthropologist, wrote an 800-page dissertation on peasant blacksmithing in Java, worked for the Ford Foundation, championed women’s work and helped bring microcredit to the world’s poor.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/us/politics/14obama.html

ObamaMama ought to inspire feminists x1000000 more than HRC does.

I have to admit I didn't know his mom's name was Stanley Ann.

suzy8080

Mr. Kessler, a former Wall Street Journal and Washington Post reporter, is chief Washington correspondent of Newsmax.com

No relation!

Boston Globe examines Clinton's claim of credit for SCHIP, discovers that the drafting legislators say that the Clinton White House initially opposed the measure:

In campaign speeches, Clinton describes the State Children's Health Insurance Program, or SCHIP, as an initiative "I helped to start." Addressing Iowa voters in November, Clinton said, "in 1997, I joined forces with members of Congress and we passed the State Children's Health Insurance Program." Clinton regularly cites the number of children in each state who are covered by the program, and mothers of sick children have appeared at Clinton campaign rallies to thank her.

But the Clinton White House, while supportive of the idea of expanding children's health, fought the first SCHIP effort, spearheaded by Senators Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, and Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, because of fears that it would derail a bigger budget bill. And several current and former lawmakers and staff said Hillary Clinton had no role in helping to write the congressional legislation, which grew out of a similar program approved in Massachusetts in 1996.

"The White House wasn't for it. We really roughed them up" in trying to get it approved over the Clinton administration's objections, Hatch said in an interview. "She may have done some advocacy (privately) over at the White House, but I'm not aware of it."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/14/clinton_role_in_health_program_disputed/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNTGRL0OJWQ

(Sean Hannity is an idiot - Colmes & Rev Wright OTM)