itt: consternation and wailing about Zach Snyder's upcoming SUPERMAN/BATMAN film/sequel to MAN OF STEEL -- official title: BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE

the scenes where Wonder Woman was on the internet watching trailers for what looked like lame TV shows. they looked so bad. the Cyborg guy looked like late 90s sci fi channel. Aquaman lol

WW was the best part of the fight or whatever the hell the last 3rd of this movie was. the big Superman Batman fight was about 10 minutes long w bad dialog breaks in between. Wonder Woman's boss battle was what, 5? everything else is a car commercial.

BvS fight was so bad. Batman used a smoke bomb. Superman has x-ray vision, which has been shown to be an involuntary effect of the yellow sun of the Earth on Superman's biology. he just has x-ray vision. just before this scene Superman declares his reason for fighting Batman (to save his mother) with an emotional burst of his heat vision (a theme repeated from MoS). this is how charged he is when he gets there to fight Batman, yet Batman throws a non-kryptonite smoke bomb and Superman can't see him and leaps at nothing through the smoke. you can make the argument that he is just going easy on Batman but this is directly in opposition to how his character was set up the scene before, his eyes red from heat vision, uncontrollably angry at Batman. this is how the movie makes no sense. this is how it betrays its characters. not because Batman or Superman have these inflexible rules, but by just writing the movie poorly. by letting it have a lack of character continuity between scenes. mostly the movie makes no sense. Lex Luthor is a poor villain and he is half of the movie, his plots form the horribly boring political intrigue "real world". Lex's half of the movie is there to provide the VO for multiple trailers and his actually very short hype speech about God and Man and the Devil and Superman is so one-dimensional that it quickly wears out its welcome. yet it present through the entire movie! and probably the next one too!

i did enjoy Superman Returns wayyyyy more than this. i wonder what a sequel to that would've been like?

this movie is bad, but i get the feeling that it's become the film that critics (and other folks) enjoy piling on -- every year throws up one or two of those. as a result i think people are exaggerating the distance between this film's badness and the badness of other films that critics have praised, like the dark knight or iron man 2 or deadpool. the more-awfulness of this film seems like a matter of degree rather than kind to me.

Nolan Batman, Deadpool, and IM2 were trying to do very different things, tho, and whatever flaws they had were not the sheer wrongness pervading the all aspects of the entire production.

I would say that the first in the most recent spate of batman films was pretty good, though it is weird to me that it spawned such over the top fanboy live. The others were hot garbage imo.

All the iron man films are fun.

I will see deadpool at some point and prob find it begrudgingly okay

DKR is great. I almost like it more than TDK. havent seen Deadpool but i wouldn't say no to seeing it. Iron Man 2 was okay i dunno what people want from these movies. also this is not just a sequel to an Iron Man movie but Batman V Superman, the first big-screen debut clash of the 2 most famous superheros of all time.

there is nothing as bad as Luthor's scheme with the senator in any of the other movies not even Green Lantern has something that dumb and incoherent

I will see deadpool at some point and prob find it begrudgingly okay

― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Sunday, April 3, 2016 7:04 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

did this. It is

like it's really obnoxious but that's clearly what they were going for. And I couldn't help somewhat admiring the chutzpah of the whole thing. Some solid laughs too (even if only about 10% of the jokes land)

deadpool was like being waterboarded at a meeting of the anime-and-vape club, every moment a giant drag in about 6 different ways

I'll probably see the Deadpool movie eventually, although the appeal of the character is still lost on me (nb: have not read either the Kelly or Posehn/Duggan runs). The main problem being that writing actual humor with jokes that land has not historically been the strong suit of most (I said most) Marvel writers. It's fitting in a way that he now has a team-up book with Spider-Man, as I've always found Spidey's employment of humor similarly insufferable (if decidedly more muted).

i guess they were laying groundwork for neil degrasse tyson + anderson cooper teamup against darkseid?

if Darkseid ever winds up happening beyond the hints in the movie

world gross on this now almost $700 million, that sure is a lotta 'hatewatching'

Still over $100 million short of the break-even estimates. It'll make it there, but it sure don't look like no windfall, and certainly not the foundation upon which to build a series of 9+ subsequent films.

that's insane

the cost of making and marketing this was >$800 million??

it is amazing that it made so much so quickly. but i guess that's how it is nowadays.

Break-even point for this global is something like almost a billion, innit?

i've heard $800 billion theatrical, which i think it's almost made already (!!).

With a production budget of $250 million, after rebates and tax incentives and a marketing budget of around $150–160 million,[116] Variety estimates that the film needs to earn $800 million to recoup its investment.

not sure how that adds up to $800m.

Cinemas normally take half.

Plus a marketing budget that was estimated to be higher than the production budget.

(I only ever pay attention to this stuff in bad faith, when I'm actively rooting for a movie to tank.)

maybe i missed it above, but this has had the biggest ever week 1 to week 2 takings drop off for any superhero movie; even worse than the recent Fantastic Four

Zootopia has presently grossed more than Superman v. Batman domestically. It's been out a little longer, sure, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the ranking will ultimately remain the same.

Cinemas normally take half.

lol no. not even close.

I saw the recent Fantastic Four; it's biggest sin was that it was a little boring but it wasn't as woeful or incoherent as the previous FF movie(s)

^^agree. And visually it had some great setpieces.

Cinemas normally take half.

lol no. not even close.

Admissions ... 2,038.2
Film rental and advertising costs ... 1,093.1

From:

http://investor.regmovies.com/~/media/Files/R/Regal-Entertainment-Group-IR/02%2029%2015%20-%20RGC%2010K%202015%20-%20FINAL.pdf

(i.e. 53.63%)

Don't the numbers vary by territory? Like the studio take in China is only 1/4?

I remember reading somewhere that the studio/theater split changes depending on whether it is opening day or a week later, etc...

Don't the numbers vary by territory? Like the studio take in China is only 1/4?

Yeah, as of 2014/2015, China is around 25%. It was even lower (10-15%).

I remember reading somewhere that the studio/theater split changes depending on whether it is opening day or a week later, etc...

Yep. It starts around 60%, then gradually decreases. The overall take is around 50%.

Still over $100 million short of the break-even estimates. It'll make it there, but it sure don't look like no windfall, and certainly not the foundation upon which to build a series of 9+ subsequent films.

The estimated budget is meaningless since significant pre-production, production, and marketing costs can be spread across multiple (nine!?) films. If you’re curious, Marvel has done this since The Avengers and Pixar has done this exact trick since Toy Story.

(i.e. not only does Hollywood make terrible movies, they are super shady)

xpost Uhhh...why, then, is the narrative that they make most of their money from concessions? I feel like you have to be running your business like some shit if you can't turn a profit on 50% of big Hollywood movie ticket sales.

my schadenfreude takeaway is that BvSM is likely to globally theatrically gross about $100-$150 mill more than deadpool
and it cost $200 mill more to make

I'd read somewhere that WB was hoping for Avengers-level box office. Whether that was just a hopeful projection or something they were pinning the hopes of future movies on or whatever, I don't know. But both Avengers films earned around $1.5 billion globally, so, well...

xpost Uhhh...why, then, is the narrative that they make most of their money from concessions? I feel like you have to be running your business like some shit if you can't turn a profit on 50% of big Hollywood movie ticket sales.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I honestly don't remember the second Biel / Chiklis / Evans / Welshman movie, but the first was pretty good, and beats the recent one in actually turning them into them FF some time in the first half of the movie, and not featuring the news that "It's Clobbering Time" is what Ben Grimm's abusive older brother used to say while he beat him. I'm pretty sure both of those are on the "how to make a FF movie" one-sheet.

FF contain such great movie-making material, it's sad none of it's been properly utilized

There wasn't nearly enough Snapchatting in any of the FF movies, imo.

I honestly don't remember the second Biel / Chiklis / Evans / Welshman movie, but the first was pretty good

I'm gonna stop you right here; the first one succeeded at being "not terrible" but I don't think it made it all the way to "pretty good". It was better than what I was expecting, but what I was expecting was something wholly incompetent and terrible so... low bar.

How was it worse than F4nt4stic? I admit I'm grading it on "How entertaining was it considering it has to fit in the kind of dull origin?" - but I don't think any of what the new one did was an improvement at all.

well to be fair, I didn't see the entirety of the new one; due to kid-wrangling I ended up skipping 20 min in the middle of the movie, which probably doesn't say much for its editing choices

Kate Mara as Sue Storm wasn't nearly as stilted and wooden as Jessica Alba, so that was an immediate improvement. I also thought the new movie's take on Doom was much, much creepier.

my schadenfreude takeaway is that BvSM is likely to globally theatrically gross about $100-$150 mill more than deadpool
and it cost $200 mill more to make

ty for this v satisfying thought

My current guess is that Civil War will probably beat this worldwide and possibly even domestically.